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Manchester City banned from Champions League for two seasons

Kaka Tim said:
barnay roney's from the gruans take - Man City are fucked.

Manchester City now look like a butterfly in danger of having its wings picked off | Barney Ronay

im not sure that "playing beautiful football" is any sort of defence for illegally pumping billions into a football team - giving it a hugely unfair advantage over everyone else. Anything that curbs the pernicious influence of oligarchs and oil fiefdoms over football has got to be a good thing. UEFA should make every club adopt the german model (fan ownership - German football model is a league apart) . Or bring football to socialism and nationalise the lot.
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Interesting piece, that:
For all the good husbandry and good habits, the fine coaching, the refusal to splurge on superstars, City have still spent £340m net in transfer fees since Guardiola has been at the club, and hundreds of millions before that, all the while failing to produce a single homegrown first-team regular. Was it ever sustainable? Javier Tebas, the president of La Liga, might just have had a point all along. The numbers really don’t add up.

On one side of this equation City have the third-highest wage bill in world football at £300m. At the same time City have the fifth-largest income. Take out that self-fuelling Etihad sponsorship deal and they’re back in eighth. An inability to grow their commercial income has been the sticking point.

The grace note is the growth in broadcast income. Crucially it is here City stand to lose under the Uefa ban. Third in wages, fifth in income might look wonky but without their Uefa income the balance goes through the floor, with some estimates suggesting a loss of European football could cost between £100m-£150m per year.

This would leave an apocalyptic hole, one that makes the current squad simply unsustainable. City recently handed new deals to a rump of first-team regulars, which hardly eases the basic problem of how to keep the lights on.
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two sheds said:
I laugh but I've really appreciated seeing Man City take the place of Man Utd over the last few years. :(
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I genuinely like them, too. I used to go and watch them when they were shit in the 90's - flatmate of mine was City and we used to go to the odd away game in London - and their fans fatalistic sense of humour was a joy. Still singing about Colin Bell etc. Watched with my StepDad as Aguero's final kick of the season sealed it and seeing his x-years-of-hurt evaporate was great. So yeah, I bear them no ill will. That's not going to stop me ripping it out of him mind, obviously.
 
The39thStep said:
Apparently the Glazers have issued a statement saying that have nothing to fear from FFP and they are confident that they will not be charged with putting too much money into Man Utd.
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Future philosophy students will be asked 'what's worse, illegally giving millions to a club Vs legally stealing hundreds of millions? Illustrate your answer with Mancunian examples'.
 
… just warming to the theme/comparison, this piece reckons the glazers have had £1bn out of United (though I'm not sure if that includes any investments they've made).
www.90min.com

15 Years of Glazer Ownership and What it Means for Manchester United Today

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The conclusion - 'stuck' - is the important bit to me. No way there will be enough money to redevelop the stadium, no galactico purchases, along with a valuation that puts off even the wealthiest middle east outfit from buying the glazers out.

Things could get worse for citeh if the premier league do their own punishments (unlikely, I'd have thought??). But they are still likely to emerge stronger than united, at least in terms of having an ability to rebuild.
 
Kaka Tim said:
barnay roney's from the gruans take - Man City are fucked.

Manchester City now look like a butterfly in danger of having its wings picked off | Barney Ronay

im not sure that "playing beautiful football" is any sort of defence for illegally pumping billions into a football team - giving it a hugely unfair advantage over everyone else. Anything that curbs the pernicious influence of oligarchs and oil fiefdoms over football has got to be a good thing. UEFA should make every club adopt the german model (fan ownership - German football model is a league apart) . Or bring football to socialism and nationalise the lot.
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It would take something like that for me to care that much about this tbh. I won't be shedding any tears for Man City but the other big clubs don't really represent anything better in my eyes.
 
Surely pumping billions into a football team is what gives a hugely unfair advantage over everyone else, not doing it illegally.
 
Playing Wednesday at home then Saturday away in the PL. Following Wednesday away to Real Madrid in the CL.

There are going to be some hostile crowds for them to play with.
 
two sheds said:
Surely pumping billions into a football team is what gives a hugely unfair advantage over everyone else, not doing it illegally.
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The big clubs have managed to completely sew it up between them. FFP is in place precisely to stop people like City getting their feet under the table. This is why Man United are so hilarious. Even with everything in their favour they are still fucking it up.
 
tommers said:
The big clubs have managed to completely sew it up between them. FFP is in place precisely to stop people like City getting their feet under the table. This is why Man United are so hilarious. Even with everything in their favour they are still fucking it up.
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TBH, I'm (genuinely) unsure what is worse, getting your advantage as a gift from some mega rich cunt or getting it from 'brand building', spiv deals and selling shirts in distant continents. I've never noticed united getting anywhere near the moral highground in 50 years of supporting them, except they do have the highest attendance (though the % of income from tickets/matchday is probably about the same as the other big clubs).
 
Wilf said:
TBH, I'm (genuinely) unsure what is worse, getting your advantage as a gift from some mega rich cunt or getting it from 'brand building', spiv deals and selling shirts in distant continents. I've never noticed united getting anywhere near the moral highground in 50 years of supporting them, except they do have the highest attendance (though the % of income from tickets/matchday is probably about the same as the other big clubs).
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It's not even about which one is better for me. I couldn't care less where the money comes from (I mean, within reason). The top 6 teams earn well over double what the 7th biggest one does and that makes for a very boring competition unless you are one of those top 6. I mean, Leicester have done great but the imbalance will assert itself in the end. And a lot of that is down to how competitions are structured.

FFP is like pulling up the drawbridge, just to make sure nobody else can force their way in.
 
tommers said:
The big clubs have managed to completely sew it up between them.
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I'd argue they've been aided by UEFA over the last thirty years. When the cabal, led by that noble gent Berlusconi, threatened a breakaway they caved, renaming the European Cup the Champions League, at the same time as letting non-champions in, paradoxically. It now creates more of a closed shop, especially in England, where top players have to have CL football, perpetuating domestic hierarchies.

It's not the most scientific analysis, not least because it doesn't take account of the Heysel ban, but closely prior to the change you had European champions in Hamburg, Steaua Bucharest, PSV, and Red Star Belgrade. Since then it's become a much more closed shop, with only Porto in 2004 and maybe Liverpool the following year being outsiders who won it. Porto and Ajax are the only winners from outside England, Italy, Germany and Spain since Marseille's lone French win in 1993.
 
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