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Love/Hate - Dublin gangster nonsense

Numbers said:
Smack, coke, E's, gangsters, the RA, scumbags, all we're well and truly in place long before the Celtic Tiger.

I got goosebumps watching it.

Funnily enough too, late 90 and early 91 in Dublin was, albeit on a much smaller scale, very similar to the UK summers of Love in 88/89 - it was a small crowd, great drugs, good buzz - just before the boyos got involved.


E2a: I've never watched the Sopranos and even Breaking a Bad sign only started watching about a month ago. I liked this as it was familiar.
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Right enough, I wasn't here then but a few weeks ago took some photos of the last B'mun tower coming down (Plunketts). The series should've ended with a shoot out in Blanchardstown shopping centre imo!:thumbs:
 
Definitely one of the best shows to come out of Ireland, after Fr. Ted and Glenroe anyway.

Although a bit far fetched at times I reckon some of the story lines are not too far from the truth. The is a big gangland problem. In the last decade plus, Dublin has had one of the highest murder rates in Europe. At one point it had the highest gun murder rate in Europe iirc. Like the show depicts, you have your general gangsters along with some dissident republicans and travellers all having a go.
 
Tried watching this upon repeated recommendation from one of my mates but found it all very 6/10ish. Didn't help matters much that he had described it as 'The Irish Sopranos'.

:(
 
The first season is very '6/10'-ish; season two goes all ersatz Macbeth; but by the time you get to the third series, you realise you now know all these minor characters, all the plates are spinning, and we're finally cooking on gas. I'd say that seasons 3-6 give good payback for your investment.
 
I think you could just skip to season three and figure out what was going on from there; if you like the first couple of episodes then you can always return to the previous series, prologue-style, before motoring on through the rest if you wanted to.
 
I put it off for years as I thought similar, but I loved it in the end.

As Dave says, you probably know all the characters in it, or most at least, which makes it very familiar.
 
3 guys with AKs two dressss as ARUs is not a typical gangland hit.


SF could not have picked a worse time to come out against the SCC
 
Why would the Cons claim responsibility? View on the Cedar Lounge was that there was no way it is was them - so what's the angle in claiming it was?

As for SF's timing, they thrive on the anti-establishment vote, so by definition their voters are not going to listen to establishment voices who will try to link them to this hotel shooting.
 
I mean, nobody at all is going to say "well, I was prepared to give SF the benefit of the doubt over the SCC, even though of all Irish judicial bodies that one is dearest to my heart, but after this killing at the Regency hotel I will be giving Mr. Adams and his party the widest of berths".
 
Idris2002 said:
Why would the Cons claim responsibility? View on the Cedar Lounge was that there was no way it is was them - so what's the angle in claiming it was?
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Fuck knows the BBC correspondent who took the calls says it was an unusual code word but a code word was used.

So either the CIRA did it knowing it would hurt SF, and did it to hurt them, or didnt care, or someone who know's enough about dissident republicans to be able to phone in a threat blaming the CIRA, to throw a spanner in the works for SFs election.


As for SF's timing, they thrive on the anti-establishment vote, so by definition their voters are not going to listen to establishment voices who will try to link them to this hotel shooting.
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I don't think anyone is trying to blame SF or link them to the attack, what they are doing is saying that SF trying to abolish the SCC looks poorly timed in relation to both this attack and the conviction of Slab Murphy
 
Idris2002 said:
I mean, nobody at all is going to say "well, I was prepared to give SF the benefit of the doubt over the SCC, even though of all Irish judicial bodies that one is dearest to my heart, but after this killing at the Regency hotel I will be giving Mr. Adams and his party the widest of berths".
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I think SF very successful attempt to walk away from criminality and terrorism gets brought into the fore with this kind of instance, and hurts them in marginal seats and with 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) preference voters.
 
Idris2002 said:
I mean, nobody at all is going to say "well, I was prepared to give SF the benefit of the doubt over the SCC, even though of all Irish judicial bodies that one is dearest to my heart, but after this killing at the Regency hotel I will be giving Mr. Adams and his party the widest of berths".
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Say what you will about the Provies, they never desecrated the sanctity of a boxing weigh-in
 
To reiterate, the first season might be a bit draggy, a bit pretty-TV-boys-playing-at-gangsters, but honestly, it's misdirection... Clocking in at a total of just twenty-eight episodes across five seasons, it is definitely worth your while.


Caveats: there's not enough roles for women, at least, non-in-refrigerators ones. That's not to say there are no interesting female characters, mind, because there are.
 
copliker said:
Patrick Hutch walks free as Regency Hotel murder charge dropped
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Counsel for the DPP, Seán Gillane SC, said the the State was no longer in a position to lead evidence on a number of matters “sadly” as a result of the death of the lead investigating garda on the case, Det Supt Colm Fox...

...Det Supt Fox was found dead on the evening of February 10th last year in his office at Ballymun Garda station. His official firearm was recovered at the scene, foul play was not suspected and it was treated as a personal tragedy. The trial had been stalled at the time over the disclosure by the prosecution of emails between four gardaí.

Notes written by the late superintendent were handed into the court and read by the three judges. The court was subsequently told that a report into the death of Det Supt Fox was being prepared. This report concerned the analysis of electronic data - a mobile phone, two USB devices and a laptop computer.
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:hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
 
Regency shit still escalating - just seen this from mid-January:

A gym bag with some of his limbs was found on Monday evening along a foot path inside a housing complex where some of the victim’s friends and associates lived in north Dublin. Another bag containing fingers and other body parts police say likely belonged to the 17-year-old was found in another section of suburban Dublin on Tuesday. Early Wednesday morning, the Gardaí discovered what they have confirmed as Mulready-Wood’s decapitated head inside a burning Volvo in the town of Drumcondra north of Dublin.
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:eek: :bigeyes: :eek: :bigeyes: :eek:

He said that Mulready-Woods’ murder was likely an act of revenge for a killing spree between rival gangs in Dublin suburbs of Drogheda, Blanchardstown, Coolock, Longford, and Sligo that started in 2016 with the murder of gang member David Byrne at the Regency Hotel, Dublin. Since then, three people tied to different gangs have been tortured and murdered, but none in such a heinous way as the 17-year-old.
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www.thedailybeast.com

Dublin Gang Killed and Cut Up Irish Teen Keane Mulready-Woods to Avenge Murder, Say Cops

The decapitated head of a 17-year-old boy was found inside a burning car outside of Dublin, Ireland, after his severed limbs had been left as a warning to other gang members.
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com
 
Flip-flops.

www.irishtimes.com

Robbie Lawlor profile: A feared criminal with a long list of enemies

Criminal suspected of role in three murders including killing of Keane Mulready Woods
www.irishtimes.com www.irishtimes.com

Shortly after his release Lawlor was attacked by an associate of David Lynch, the man murdered in 2005.

The attacker filmed the incident and can be heard telling Lawlor “this is only the start of it.” Lawlor’s gym bag was also stolen and over the next few days his rivals taunted him by putting photos of themselves on social media wearing his flip-flops.

When a pair of flip-flops were found in the bag containing some of Keane Mulready Woods’ remains on January 13th, it was interpreted by investigators as message from Lawlor to his tormentors.
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rekil said:
#CanDo #WealthCreator

www.irishtimes.com

Daniel Kinahan announces new boxing and ‘combat sports’ deal

Kinahan has been named by the Garda in court actions as a key gangland figure in Ireland
www.irishtimes.com www.irishtimes.com
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Well this is odd - after seeing your post I went looking for some articles about the Regency shooting, and in particular pictures and video of the fake Gardaí that I seem to remember were taken during the attank. Instead I found a polished docu-drama called ‘The Regency Hotel Attack Dublin (Ireland)’, produced by Scarcity Studios.

It's certainly bold and confident in its claims, but some things didn't quite chime - absolutely no mention of the gangland connections of Kinahan, and Byrne, McGovern and Bolger are only ever referred to as “friends of Kinahan”; and the film is adamant that the attack was carried out by a team of, at minimum, 12 or 13 (the flat cap dude, whom they name as Kevin Murray and claim had a terminal disease; the female impersonator; the three pretend guards; a van driver; and six additional getaway drivers waiting in separate vehicles at the car park of the nearby GAA club).

It makes very specific claims that “various fight fans, and the manager of the hotel, called 999, but there was no answer; they called the local police but, remarkably, no one picked up there either.” It further claims that the hotel's owner called a Garda friend “who put him directly through to the Dublin division, but again no one answered.” The claim is made that “there was no emergency response for twenty-three minutes” even though this was a “terrorist-style attack in the heart of a European city”.

There are further visual suggestions made, with no reference in the voiceover (and no corroboration I can find in any reports anywhere), such as one of the fake cops receiving a text or similar message as the gang is moving through the hotel looking for Kinahan, which it implies is to tell them that the police are on the way (the gang member receiving it immediately tells his comrades “Leave! Now!”). When the gang, now in casual civvies, leave their first getaway van in a nearby quiet residential street, one of them places a timed incendiary device of the sort you see in Hollywood movie Heat in the back of the vehicle, which soon sets it ablaze as the shooting team ambles through a back alley towards the GAA car park and their waiting getaway cars.

Towards the end, intertitles tell us that Kevin Murray - someone the film tells us had ‘dissident Republican connections’ suffered “rapidly deteriorating health [which] meant he could not stand trial for murder. He died 9th August 2017.” It then tells us that Patrick Hutch was suspected of being the ‘Wig Man’, but that “all charges against him were dropped after the suicide of the lead investigating police officer.”

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Whilst there's very little in the way of strong evidence, the case presented is built around cui bono, and roughly comes down to:
  • There weren't any coppers around when Kinahan arrived, but the media were, which made him suspicious enough to make some calls to find out if he was in danger
  • The only attacker not disguised was someone with known links to dissident republican paramilitaries
  • The guns used were the type of Romanian AK knock-offs which the Provisionals had long earlier shipped in, and which subsequently had sloshed around the republican milieu
  • The fake guards had gone to the bother of dolling up in Emergency Response Unit gear (vests, ballistic helmets etc) but not more convincingly police-issue guns
  • The failure of police to answer the phone to the calls from people at the Regency during the attack
  • The claimed 23 minute delay before responding
  • The subsequent use of the attack by Fine Gael leadership (Enda Kelly in particular, shown at a press conference) to bash Sinn Fein, in light of the Dáil elections that were due three weeks after the shootings
Boiled down, they seem to be wink-wink, nudge-nudging towards:

‘Senior police colluded with Fine Gael leadership to manufacture a false flag dissident republican attack on an honest law-abiding sports promoter so that awkward questions could be asked of Gerry Adams.’

After watching it I thought I would take a copy, but didn't get a chance, went off, had dinner, then by the time I got back and thought about it, did a bit more Regency googling and straightaway came up with this:

www.independent.ie

Daniel Kinahan video removed by Youtube after complaint from Independent.ie

A VIDEO which suggests a political conspiracy was behind the Regency Hotel attack has been removed from the internet on foot of a complaint from Independent News & Media (INM).
www.independent.ie www.independent.ie

In between the reconstructions, there are various bits of contemporaneous news footage, so it's a bit of an open goal for take-downs.

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And low, the video has now been taken down.

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See also this from today:

Documentary claims to reveal role of 'Flat Cap' in Regency Hotel boxing weigh-in murder (rather an uncritical rehash of the claims in the film)

A recent piece about Scarcity:

www.wired.co.uk

The UK’s most violent crimes are going viral on YouTube

In the vacuum left by local newspapers, Birmingham-based Scarcity Studios is picking up tens of thousands of subscribers with its detailed coverage – but there are concerns that it's glamourising violence
www.wired.co.uk www.wired.co.uk
 
Crank wank for clicks I'm afraid. Two minute garda response according to the managing director and three or four minutes according to the manager.

www.rte.ie

Contradictory claims over Dublin hotel shooting

There have been contradictory claims over who was responsible for the gun attack in Dublin on Friday during which one man was killed and two others were wounded.
www.rte.ie www.rte.ie

Regency Hotel Managing Director James McGettigan said that he was in the bar of the hotel when he heard "a commotion" in the reception area.

Speaking on RTÉ’s News At One, Mr McGettigan said that three men who were in garda uniforms, came into the bar and told everyone to lie down on the floor and put their hands behind their heads. He said the men claimed they were members of the gardaí.

Mr McGettigan said there were a number of shots fired and he saw a man, through the window of the bar, being assassinated.

He said he walked to the residence lounge, closed the door, locked it and tried to contact gardaí.

"I couldn't get through, but I did eventually get through and I explained what happened and was put through to the Dublin division. 25 seconds (waiting on the line) felt like an eternity to me."

He said he then rang a detective he knew and within about two minutes gardaí had arrived.
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Speaking on the Six One, John Glynn, manager, said that on the day of the shooting, at around 1.30pm, he heard a bang and saw people running out of the function room.

He said he then noticed three men dressed as gardaí entering the premises through the main entrance. He said, within seconds, he noticed they were armed.

Mr Glynn said two shots were fired at a man, who ended up lying beside him covered in blood.

He said the men then entered the main ballroom and a number of shots were fired.


He said the gardaí were at the scene in a matter of three to four minutes.
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The question about lack of surveillance is valid but lack of resources and underestimation of capabilities probably more likely than murk.

www.irishexaminer.com

Media tipped off days before Regency hotel attack but gardaí deny having information

Six days before the horrific attack at the Regency Hotel, it was reported that senior criminals had flown to Dublin to attend boxing events.
www.irishexaminer.com www.irishexaminer.com

Almost a week before David Byrne was shot dead in front of crowds attending the weigh-in, national media had been tipped off that members of the Kinahan gang had arrived in from Spain. It was suggested that tensions were high between various criminal cartels.

But yesterday Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald said gardaí did not have intelligence which would have justified having surveillance on the hotel.
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Indo timeline says 11 or 12 minutes between first shots and the arrival of gardai.
 
rekil said:
Crank wank for clicks I'm afraid. Two minute garda response according to the managing director and three or four minutes according to the manager.

www.rte.ie

Contradictory claims over Dublin hotel shooting

There have been contradictory claims over who was responsible for the gun attack in Dublin on Friday during which one man was killed and two others were wounded.
www.rte.ie www.rte.ie






The question about lack of surveillance is valid but lack of resources and underestimation of capabilities probably more likely than murk.

www.irishexaminer.com

Media tipped off days before Regency hotel attack but gardaí deny having information

Six days before the horrific attack at the Regency Hotel, it was reported that senior criminals had flown to Dublin to attend boxing events.
www.irishexaminer.com www.irishexaminer.com



Indo timeline says 11 or 12 minutes between first shots and the arrival of gardai.
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That's what I don't get - their argument is built on demonstrably false statements, and the overarching ‘theory’ (which they never come out and actually say with words) just doesn't make sense.

It kind of reminded me of Plandemic, in that it is slick and exudes confidence, and feels like a documentary (using structure and story-telling building blocks and tropes familiar to all), but ultimately it's just, well, leaky as fuck.
 
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