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I don’t understand what you mean by the original closed road. Loughborough road is open in this new proposal.
I was referring to my leaflet. The map was excellently scanned by bimble on Wednesday.
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To me it looks as if the part of Loughborough Road between Barrington Road and Coldharbour Lane is "greened out" (normal roads are grey).

That is why I am asking if they are acting on old drawings - or are in in for another "NEW PUBIC SPACE LINKED TO THE JUNCTION AND WYCK GARDENS" i.e. option 10 on the list.

I assume they mean a pubic space across the road - or maybe they are going to salami slice Wyck Gardens - remove all that recent brick-work bedding and that?
 
Turning up between 12 & 4pm this afternoon looks like our best chance of getting any proper idea of what the plans are ( "find out more contact Steve" never replied to my email).

Where is Loughborough Square ?
 
Looks like maybe a "shared space" type scheme where that portion of the road is raised to merge with the pavements.
You mean like Exhibition Road in South Kensigton going past the Museums, Imperial College and (almost) the Royal Albert Hall?
If they do that I hope we get the super-duper space age lighting.
 
You mean like Exhibition Road in South Kensigton going past the Museums, Imperial College and (almost) the Royal Albert Hall?
If they do that I hope we get the super-duper space age lighting.
Same sort of idea yes. It's supposed to make drivers go slowly and give way to pedestrians. Which is not something most London drivers seem particularly into.
 
I was referring to my leaflet. The map was excellently scanned by bimble on Wednesday.
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To me it looks as if the part of Loughborough Road between Barrington Road and Coldharbour Lane is "greened out" (normal roads are grey).

That is why I am asking if they are acting on old drawings - or are in in for another "NEW PUBIC SPACE LINKED TO THE JUNCTION AND WYCK GARDENS" i.e. option 10 on the list.

I assume they mean a pubic space across the road - or maybe they are going to salami slice Wyck Gardens - remove all that recent brick-work bedding and that?

They are using the old drawings. On basis there is limited time.

Impression I get, it's as I've said in previous posts one lot want none of it the other are trying(LJAG) are trying to salvage as much as they can of there pet scheme to make LJ A " Destination" .

None of this is satisfactory.
 
Turning up between 12 & 4pm this afternoon looks like our best chance of getting any proper idea of what the plans are ( "find out more contact Steve" never replied to my email).

Where is Loughborough Square ?
free food delicious!
better end of consultation. although the way the feedback is set up, you could be in favour of one idea and end up with another. sounds familiar. fair play to steve wong and his band of merry hipsters. not enough pens provided though for comments forms. saw helen hayes mp and cllr brathwaite.
 
Cllr Brathwaite took me trough the questionaire and took a photo - so that's blown my credibility!

Cllr Matt Parr was also in the mood for a convivial chat.

In view of the variegated nature of the consultees I guess no-one can say they didn't try harder this time. Let us hope that what they come up with now meets with general approval.

I like teuchter's suggestion. Here is a view of Exhibition Road shared street in the vicinity of the Ismaili HQ & Mosque
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Good to meet bimble :)

Steve told me that this is just a preliminary consultation. Firmer plans would be made and then referred to TFL. Who would say if they were technically feasible or not. Then TFL would produce plans that will go out to statutory consultation.

Me and Bimble did say it would be good if the the above was explained on the Lambeth website. As I did not know about how the improvements would proceed.

Both me and Bimble did say that there should be opportunity for online comments as well. The Lambeth website only tells one about when and where the Pop up consultation are taking place.

The info showed at the Loughborough sq event did not add anything to the info on the leaflet. Though it was good to be able to talk to officers to get some clarification.

The 14 proposals on the leaflet and at the event are apparently just suggestions. I did ask if the money from TFL would cover them all and it will not.

Its a bit disappointing its all still so vague.

I did ask about Padfield and wrote it in my comments. Get impression any road closures are just to toxic to do now.Even imo a reasonable one like Padfield.

The raised road layout in the leaflet was clarified. It will cover the cross roads. But these are only tentative suggestions- which surprised me. Wonder what exactly the Steering Group have been doing.

The raised surface and narrowing of road on Loughborough road going north from the junction past Wyck Gardends and the Farm is only a suggestion. From talking to a couple of people its liable to be opposed.
 
I completely messed up and forgot about the consultation thing until it was too late. Sounds like it was as vague as I might have feared though.

I downloaded the report about Padfield rd etc the other day. On a skim reading bits of it looked a bit ropey to me. Was going to maybe get back to it and go through properly and summarise on here. But probably would be wasting my time.
 
Cambria Road, south side of the railway underpass, some total fucking bellend has snapped one of the trees in half. Apparently there were a few parties on Northway on Saturday night, no objection to a party, massive fucking objection to pricks who think snapping a tree in half is amusing.
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Angry angry angry.
 
I completely messed up and forgot about the consultation thing until it was too late. Sounds like it was as vague as I might have feared though.

I downloaded the report about Padfield rd etc the other day. On a skim reading bits of it looked a bit ropey to me. Was going to maybe get back to it and go through properly and summarise on here. But probably would be wasting my time.

I had a chat with Steve the Council officer who has been given the poisoned chalice ( as I told him) of taking over the consultation on the "improvements".

He is ok imo. If you want to email him comments his email was on the leaflet so its public.

swong1@lambeth.gov.uk.

He got email from bimble which he said he read. But he does not have time to reply to all emails. But I think if you emailed comments he would take them as part of this consultation.
 
What Gramsci said.
The young people Lambeth has hired to run this consultation & design process (Steve Wong and his band of merry hipsters :thumbs:) are this company: About : make:good
They did seem really nice and well meaning, and also carefully chosen because of their emphasis on community involvement.

I think this whole exercise has to been seen in the shadow of the road closures, with people treading very softly.
Steve Wong said he's worked on a lot of projects and never come across a community as divided as LJ (he was well aware of the animosity between LJAG & the LETRA etc).

Free food cooked by local people for everyone who filled out a consultation form, lots of kids about, drumming lessons going on.. definitely managed to make the atmosphere a lot better than those of a planning forum meeting. .
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Thing is that there wasn't anything to really consult about because no concrete plans.

The posters were vague like this, and we were asked to say yes or no to the general idea of 'nature' or 'identity' being important to us.
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Being a design company the emphasis was on signage, identity, heritage , that sort of thing - lots of ideas about 'celebrating' the area by doing stuff like painting bridges and making funky signs.

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Me personally I don't really like that stuff, don't see the advantage of having the area branded like as if it was a product, and would prefer for the bridges to be left in peace not covered in pink perspex or neon or whatever.

But basically there's not much to discuss as yet, just really vague soft suggestions.

He did say that £40,000 of the money has to be spent this year the rest can wait & any major changes to road layout or surfaces have to get TFL approval which takes a long time (am I remembering that right Gramsci?)
 
What Gramsci said.
The young people Lambeth has hired to run this consultation & design process (Steve Wong and his band of merry hipsters :thumbs:) are this company: About : make:good
They did seem really nice and well meaning, and also carefully chosen because of their emphasis on community involvement.

I think this whole exercise has to been seen in the shadow of the road closures, with people treading very softly.
Steve Wong said he's worked on a lot of projects and never come across a community as divided as LJ (he was well aware of the animosity between LJAG & the LETRA etc).

Free food cooked by local people for everyone who filled out a consultation form, lots of kids about, drumming lessons going on.. definitely managed to make the atmosphere a lot better than those of a planning forum meeting. .
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Thing is that there wasn't anything to really consult about because no concrete plans.

The posters were vague like this, and we were asked to say yes or no to the general idea of 'nature' or 'identity' being important to us.
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Being a design company the emphasis was on signage, identity, heritage , that sort of thing - lots of ideas about 'celebrating' the area by doing stuff like painting bridges and making funky signs.

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Me personally I don't really like that stuff, don't see the advantage of having the area branded like as if it was a product, and would prefer for the bridges to be left in peace not covered in pink perspex or neon or whatever.

But basically there's not much to discuss as yet, just really vague soft suggestions.

He did say that £40,000 of the money has to be spent this year the rest can wait & any major changes to road layout or surfaces have to get TFL approval which takes a long time (am I remembering that right Gramsci?)

The animosity is between LJAG and LEMB not LETRA. I know its complicated. I dont think LETRA and LEMB see eye to eye either. I also think LJAG really do not understand why there is animosity towards them. I can see where its coming from. Its like my old patch on Somerleyton road. Brixton Green luminaries turn up and tell me they are going to do up my patch and all there wonderful ideas. Expecting me to just agree to it all and totally ignoring anything I say. It gets peoples backs up.

Yes TFL have to give approval. Its there money after all.

I must say the stuff about identity/branding etc is an issue in itself and does not go to the heart of the matter. Many on the Loughborough estate are wary of this for good reason. Its the kind of stuff that Brixton got and look where its led- gentrification. I fully understand this. This consultation does not address it. I don’t think LJAG fully understand this either. And the Council , except for Cllr Rachel, dont want to take aboard the issue of improvements aiding gentrification. How to avoid this in the future.

Nor am I happy with the, as you accurately say, vague soft suggestions. Trouble with this kind of consultation is that it can be used in many different ways in the future.

LJAG are keen to have results that support identity and heritage. This they can use to salvage there long term idea of LJ as a "destination". Which in itself I am not against. Its how its done. Ive told them what people want is affordable places to use not something like Pop. Its also what people from the estate have said at meetings.

In fact the LJ Neighbourhood Planning Forums may have not great friendly atmosphere but from them I get better idea of what’s really going on. The event on Saturday was so happy clappy that it didn’t do anything for me.

Thinking about it today the event on Saturday didn’t address the issue of reducing car traffic through Loughborough road. This was something that I thought was agreed. Different ways of reducing traffic without completely closing the road.

The TFL money is about the roads- how they are used. The event on Saturday did not ask about this. It went for the vague stuff without explaining how this relates to the TFL funding.
 
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Interesting piece by Steve Wong on "improvements" - the pitfalls.

In 1998, Upper Ground and Belvedere Road, behind the National Theatre, was considered an innovative streetscape where a project using high specification materials and street furniture was conceived through a co-design process between stakeholder groups and the local authority. I ask you to take a walk, cycle or drive down these roads today; it is difficult to fathom that this was once a beautiful piece of public realm. The conditions are dire due to lack of maintenance and the statutory authorities digging it up to access their services.

A case in point is Windrush square. No real thought about long term maintenance.
 
I was at the Building Centre today to look at exhibition "Remaking the Street"

An example was Camden Councils plans for the area around Tottenham Court road and Gower street. It defines the issues clearly and is putting forward radical solutions to make the area better for pedestrians and cyclists removing some of the dominance of the area by traffic. A contrast to LJ. Its on a larger scale to LJ but I think its relevant.It includes closing some of the side roads and building bike lanes.Be interesting to see how much opposition it gets from motorists. There are already complaints about the reduction of the road through Bloomsbury off Tottenham court road to one way with two way designated cycle lanes. What they are doing is discouraging/ stopping traffic from using minor roads. Problem is that many motorists regard these minor roads as way to get around.

The vision
  • High quality public spaces for everyone to enjoy
  • Better streets that reduce traffic congestion, delays and collisions
  • Brand new parks, green spaces and improved air quality
  • Safe and attractive streets with wider tree-lined pavements
  • Streets designed to make bus journeys simpler, faster and more reliable
  • Improved streets for cycling including protected cycle lanes on Gower Street
  • A better place to do business
The impacts
We have assessed the impacts of our proposals and these are likely to be:

  • Less traffic across the area
  • Some bus routes over 3 minutes quicker
  • 6 new or improved public spaces
  • Up to 285 new trees
  • Widen pavements by up to 2 metres
  • Make an extra 15 streets two-way for cycling
 
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The council are a disgrace the roads around my house have been filled with Rattatas and estranged Pidgeys over the last few weeks and some local hoodlums by the name of Team Mystic appear to have taken over Loughborough Junction train station and have occupied the place with a bunch of weird looking thugs. When I tried to approach them to question their behaviour I was hypnotised and then had electricity fired at me until I passed out.
 
The council are a disgrace the roads around my house have been filled with Rattatas and estranged Pidgeys over the last few weeks and some local hoodlums by the name of Team Mystic appear to have taken over Loughborough Junction train station and have occupied the place with a bunch of weird looking thugs. When I tried to approach them to question their behaviour I was hypnotised and then had electricity fired at me until I passed out.
they come knocking at your door too. always make sure you're earthed properly when answering. i have a pair of stack heeled rubber soled flip flops.
 
LJAG AGM.jpg Seems that LJAG are showing the Carlton Mansions film at their AGM tonight.
Good job there is another showing as part of the Lambeth Archives festival in September as I am otherwise engaged.
 
View attachment 89968 Seems that LJAG are showing the Carlton Mansions film at their AGM tonight.
Good job there is another showing as part of the Lambeth Archives festival in September as I am otherwise engaged.

I really hope it was not shown. I didn’t know about this. I did get agreement ex Coop members would get to see rough cut of the doc before it was shown.

boohoo
 
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Loughborough Junction Neighbourhood Planning Forum

You are invited to the Loughborough Junction Neighbourhood Planning Forum to be held at 8pm on Wednesday 27 July 2016 in the undercroft meeting room in Woolley House, on Loughborough Road (the hall is on the ground floor of Woolley House, the entrance is through the grey door to the right of the main entrance under the Woolley House sign – if you are having difficulty finding please ring 07799 621 582).


Please click for agenda:
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/c6783...les/LJAGLJNeighbourhoodPF27.07.2016agenda.pdf
and minutes of the last meeting on 29 June 2016
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/c6783...es/LJAGLJNeighbourhoodPF29.06.2016minutes.pdf

Doubtless there will be feedback from the consultation on the "improvements" to the roads around LJ.
 
Loughborough Junction Neighbourhood Planning Forum
You are invited to the Loughborough Junction Neighbourhood Planning Forum to be held at 8pm on Wednesday 27 July 2016 in the undercroft meeting room in Woolley House, on Loughborough Road (the hall is on the ground floor of Woolley House, the entrance is through the grey door to the right of the main entrance under the Woolley House sign – if you are having difficulty finding please ring 07799 621 582).


Please click for agenda:
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/c6783...les/LJAGLJNeighbourhoodPF27.07.2016agenda.pdf
and minutes of the last meeting on 29 June 2016
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/c6783...es/LJAGLJNeighbourhoodPF29.06.2016minutes.pdf
Doubtless there will be feedback from the consultation on the "improvements" to the roads around LJ.
Re - minutes.
I think it would be a bit odd to have the New Loughborough Estate in a CA when the 1990s regeneration destroyed its character by surrounding the blocks with wire fencing, and the undercrofts were filled in. Walkways in the sky my foot.
 
I went to the rather depressing LJ Neighbourhood Planning meeting last Thursday.

Two main topics. The LJ road/ public realm improvements and the GLA funded project for the Farm site.

It appears the recent consultation on the plans for the road improvements are all joe public going to get. I did point out the plans were vague and the questions were general stuff about what one feels about the Junction.

The results of the survey ( at meeting shown the draft report). People were asked :

  • What do you love about your area?
  • What would you change?
  • Are there any changes you do not want to see?
( I must say at the consultation I avoided answering these questions. Im to wary of consultation to be keen to answer vague general questions like this. )


Top three priorities were ( from the results of the recent consultation events.)

  • Streets and roads. Improving crossings and general look and feel of the area.
  • Nature. More trees and greenery
  • Identity. Local art work for bridges, celebrating "vibrancy" of the area.
Three changes not wanted:

  • Narrowing the road and wiggling the road by the Farm.
  • Making the area look like anywhere else in London and damaging the current atmosphere and sense of community
  • People wanted to see improvements to cycling infrastructure and not convinced that the ideas shown would create a significant impact. ( To make it clear. This was something people wanted and was lacking in the plans shown)

In full this response:

"Clear themes in response to "What do people love about LJ" were the vibrancy and community feel of the area. There was genuine concern that this work alongside other projects in the area, could damage this. "

I take the above comment as concerns that LJ could eventually go the way of Brixton and be gentrified ( for want of a better word). Its what I have heard more than once from LJ locals. Goes along with the comment about not wanting the area to become anywhere else in London. I have a lot of sympathy for these concerns.

A lot of the comments at the meeting ( from me) were that there was nothing for cycling in the plans at this time. Im also concerned that the officer basically said that due to lack of time from now the final plans will be worked up by the Steering Group only. They will then be put to TFL for agreement. Im not clear if TFL will do there own consultation. I did ask if the TFL funding did expect the improvements to improve things for cyclists and pedestrians. Answer is yes from the officer in charge ( who is ok imo. Talked to him at the consultation event. He did say this is the most difficult one he has done.)

Not happy at all about how this is turning out.

But the consultation finding that people wanted improvements for cycling was an interesting one. I wonder how this will be dealt with.

The Farm site/ GLA project.

One of the officers in charge of it who has worked at Pop re the jobs side of it ( not a good sign imo) was at the meeting. The now have a social enterprise interested in the food ( that is making) side of it. Idea being there will be an equipped kitchen alongside the farm element where people can experiment with food "ideas". Looks like Tree Shepherd will also be involved giving training on setting up business.

As this was one of my better days and I was on good form I queried this as creating lasting sustainable employment for people leading to secure well paid employment.

The officer from Lambeth who had worked with Pop said they had done research on the Estate. That many of the women there were "NEETs" - not in employment, education or training. And were often long term unemployed. That when asked the one thing they had some knowledge of it was cooking. So idea of a kitchen on the Farm site as part of this GLA funded project appealed to them.

I said encouraging people to develop food "ideas" and set up there own business would not lead to the route out of poverty the officer claimed.

Several people from the estate came up to me after the meeting and said I was right to say that this would not be route out of poverty. One said this was not real training.

Secondly I said it would be better (for example) if women on the estate could be encouraged / given confidence to take other training such as in construction. Non conventional jobs for women. Raising there horizons. To be fair the officer said she saw the point of what I was saying on this.

Forgot there was another topic- LJ and possible conservation area. Will do that later.
 
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To add to the above post on the LJ Neighbourhood Planning meeting there was someone from the estate who asked pertinent questions about the Farm/ GLA project ( Its got a name now I cant remember) about how it will be ensured that jobs on it go to people from the estate.

The officer said that social enterprises who get places in the project will be encouraged to take people from the estate but it cannot be written in as specific thing. Only as an aspiration. Something to do with the technical nature of agreements that will be made.
 
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The Cambria's new signage is a mistake, I think.

I liked the slightly faded sign with the painting of the ship and the celtic-y lettering was slightly cheesy but somehow suited the building quite well.

Now, it's glossy plastic signs with gold lettering, boring typeface, the nice ship gone, and a sort of tacky faux heraldic crest thing. It now looks like generic Clapham pub. At least the building itself is still a nice one though.
 
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