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As at the LJNP the car lobby were still trying to get this watered down. Complaints that traffic calming will make life difficult for car drivers.

Who specifically...someone representing the "LJ road madness" group?

I'm trying to remember where I read their assurances that once the experiment was abandoned they'd be supportive of general changes short of road closures. Was it just what people were writing on here?
 
Padfield Road (by the much-loved Coop) has now been reopened, with the palm trees-in-a-planter bollards removed.

I think that this is one of the last few remaining parts of the maligned Loughborough Road experimental closures. I'm disappointed by this reinstating of the road - it was accepted that this closure had been widely welcomed by local residents as it prevented Southwell Road and associated streets from being rat runs.

Anyone know anything more about this, other than it being a terrible victory for the car lobby?

teuchter was asking about about Council justification of this.

I asked about it at last LJ Neighbourhood Planning forum.

The Document about Calais and Padfield is here

Its rather long and I haven’t had time to read it.

I did go and look at Padfield road. Its clearly a rat run to avoid the lights at the junction. I saw cars going at speed through it. Its no real inconvenience to get them to use the junction on CHL.

Someone from Lambeth Cyclists said its worth lobbying to try to get it reinstated. Said it often takes several goes at this to get it done.

So its worth getting residents in Southwell road to email and lobby there Cllrs.
 
Who specifically...someone representing the "LJ road madness" group?

I'm trying to remember where I read their assurances that once the experiment was abandoned they'd be supportive of general changes short of road closures. Was it just what people were writing on here?

I don’t think so. LJNPF is an open group so anyone can turn up. From what I’ve seen when people I know in LJ Road Madness turn up they are resisting any traffic calming methods. All that stuff about supporting general changes was just talk.

I’m not in the Steering Group for the TFL money for improvements so don’t know what arguments go on there.

Why I say its important to turn up on Saturday and make sure comments are recorded.

The consultation will be feed back into the Steering Group to make the final decisions. It would really help those on Steering Group who want traffic calming etc if the consultation feedback shows support for traffic calming.

One could also put in a word for Padfield road as well.

The consultation should be online. Apparently it is already. This came up at the LJNPF. It is however difficult to find on the Lambeth website.
 
This leaflet didn't make it through my letterbox.

At the LJNPF there were criticisms of the company that the Council are using to do the distribution. As its been patchy. :facepalm: Several people present had not got leaflets.

What can I say.
 
Who specifically...someone representing the "LJ road madness" group?

I'm trying to remember where I read their assurances that once the experiment was abandoned they'd be supportive of general changes short of road closures. Was it just what people were writing on here?

When I brought up Padfield road at LJNPF it was rather interesting to see the reaction. Some were really glad I brought it up others not. As I’m not in LJAG or Lambeth Cyclists I can bring what is considered controversial stuff up.
 
Good for you, going along to these meetings and asking these questions Gramsci .

I'll try and stop by at the thing on saturday and make my comments about padfield rd and other stuff.

You're right that padfield rd is a simple rat run to avoid the traffic lights and that people often go through there pretty fast. You have to watch out when crossing the junction with herne hill rd. It was nice to have this eliminated whilst the closure was there.
 
^ Jesus F. Christ.
Just had a first look through the 'stage 2 consultation report'.

Please, anyone who was at that consultation tell me whether your table did what the report says "many tables" did:

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ie) the consultation report says that there was a lot of support for the idea of replacing the adventure playground with flats, and making a new (tiny) playground inside the park opposite instead.

It does not mention 'improving' the adventure playground as an option at all.
It just talks about "replacing" it with some little crap thing in the park, to make way for the 5 storey flats that were shown in 2 out of the 4 options we were presented with that day.


I don't know - I'm just asking:
Please confirm if your table did come the conclusion above, supported the idea of getting rid of the adventure playground on Gordon Grove and replacing it with flats. Mine didn't.
There is no mention of any objections to this idea in the consultation report.

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To let you know I have been repeatedly asking for clarification on the consultation report results/ Fluid at the LJ Planning Neighbourhood Forums re the adventure playground to no avail. Feel a bit sorry for the officer who attends. He is junior and its not his fault.

The final consultation on the LJ Masterplan is likely to take place later this year. No date yet. Will let you know.
 
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Good for you, going along to these meetings and asking these questions Gramsci .

I'll try and stop by at the thing on saturday and make my comments about padfield rd and other stuff.

You're right that padfield rd is a simple rat run to avoid the traffic lights and that people often go through there pretty fast. You have to watch out when crossing the junction with herne hill rd. It was nice to have this eliminated whilst the closure was there.

I will try to make it.

Also if you go you could ask them where on the Lambeth website is the online consultation. I’ve tried to find it and cannot. I pretty sure it was said at meeting it somewhere there.
 
Also if you go you could ask them where on the Lambeth website is the online consultation. I’ve tried to find it and cannot.

Me too, tried & failed so far to find any online info / consultation for this.

Have just attempted to follow the instructions on the back of that leaflet, the bit where it says 'Want to find out more? Contact Steve at 0207 7926 0388)' but whoever Steve is his voicemail is full.
Emailed to ask for more info and will post here whatever comes back.
Will go on Saturday. At the very least I'll learn where 'Loughborough Square' is.
 
I saw the planning application for this and have been keeping a beady eye on the site so that I could try and apply for a place as soon as it was avaiable.

They installed it while I was away on holiday and it's already full :mad::mad::mad::mad:

To my surprise, the other day I was offered (and I've taken) a place in one of the bike hangars, although they are all listed as full on the website. So, for anyone keen on getting a space, it's worth putting yourself on the waiting list.
 
Me too, tried & failed so far to find any online info / consultation for this.

Have just attempted to follow the instructions on the back of that leaflet, the bit where it says 'Want to find out more? Contact Steve at 0207 7926 0388)' but whoever Steve is his voicemail is full.
Emailed to ask for more info and will post here whatever comes back.
Will go on Saturday. At the very least I'll learn where 'Loughborough Square' is.
I'm surprised that Loughborough Square isn't named "Le Corbusier Plaza" in these modish times.

["The Hero of Switzerland" was alleged by a local wag to be named after Swiss/French brutalist architect Le Corbusier - although there was certainly a Hero of Switzerland pub on that site in 1905 - when Le Corbusier was only just starting university]
 
Re the Hero of Switzerland I've been wondering for ages what the connection is between William Tell & Loughborough Junction of old.
Still shrouded in mystery that one but also - curiouser & curiouser - what on earth is this thing?
Nothing to with the pub, is it, apart from how they've nicked the name and used it as a backdrop in some ironic way. :facepalm:
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i know, right?
Yep. It's a very pretty leaflet advertising an event with 'locally sourced food' and saying to 'call Steve' if you want to know what the plans are for the area.
When I saw it downstairs (one copy for a nice victorian building with 4 flats in) was curious about how many people had been blessed with a copy of the 'have your say in the future of Loughborough Junction' invitation.
 
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I'd be interested to know if it's the same delivery company they used for the road closures consultation. When apparently loads of people didn't receive anything.

But surely it can't be possible that they failed to take any action as a result of that.
 
But surely it can't be possible that they failed to take any action as a result of that.

Unthinkable. There's a number on the back of the leaflet saying that you can call 020 3735 7629 if you want a copy in LARGE PRINT/ translation.
Maybe that's worth a try as Steve's voicemail is full.

I think this is kind of important.
They will be spending £750,000 on our area with or without your opinion on how that should be spent.
If people don't hear about the plans and try to get involved in what's on the table that would be.. a shame. The decisions & spending & work will happen without even a semblance of consensus .

Me for instance I want options 4 and 14 "safer road crossings for pedestrians" and am not interested in 6 ('eye catching planters') or 9 ('repainted bridges') .

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I'd be interested to know if it's the same delivery company they used for the road closures consultation. When apparently loads of people didn't receive anything.

But surely it can't be possible that they failed to take any action as a result of that.



At the LJNPF the council officer said the company they are using is London Letterbox

I don’t know if its the same company.

Its also appears that Lambeth have cut their Communication Team. Which explains why bimble cannot get through to officer on leaflet. With Comms Team cut other officers are having to try to fit it in with there other work.
 
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I think this is kind of important.
They will be spending £750,000 on our area with or without your opinion on how that should be spent.
If people don't hear about the plans and try to get involved in what's on the table that would be.. a shame. The decisions & spending & work will happen without even a semblance of consensus .

Me for instance I want options 4 and 14 "safer road crossings for pedestrians" and am not interested in 6 ('eye catching planters') or 9 ('repainted bridges') .

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I have issues with the leaflet as a whole. I go to the Loughborough Junction Neighbourhood Planning Forum. Steering Group meetings took place before the Forum ones. So at forum we got a brief rundown of what happened. Get distinct feeling it wasn’t always harmonious meetings at the Steering Group.

The "steering group" for the TFL money set up by Council is closed group. Invite only.

Joe Public gets a leaflet ( if lucky and) can make a few comments. The map shows only one option. Not a lot of detail. Nor does it explain very well what the options mean or reasoning behind them.

Been trying to find info on the TFL funding. Someone from Lambeth Cyclists said that TFL have "service delivery" standards that go with the funding. Not clear on what this is. I think its to do with improving areas for pedestrians and cyclists.

I did find this on TFL website.

Mayor and TfL confirms £148m to help transform transport across London

Lambeth - £350,000 towards improving Loughborough Junction to make it safer for cyclists and pedestrians at the junction of Coldharbour Lane and Loughborough Road

Money appears to have doubled. Not sure why. I do know the Council is now under pressure to get the scheme finished as this has been going on for such a long time.

So the leaflet saying that this is just the "initial concept" is a bit misleading. I did ask at the LJNPF what actual say Joe Public will have on this proposal. I didn’t get a straight reply on this. So was left none the wiser. Which was a bit concerning.

Are we really being asked which options we want from 1 to 14?

Also from the TFL website.

The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson said: `This funding is specifically targeted to provide benefits at key locations across London, helping to make the capital's roads and open spaces safer, more pleasant places to be. Providing better cycling and walking routes, as well as a raft of major improvements to our streets will help to boost the quality of life of those who live and work in our great city

From what Ive seen of the whole sorry saga of the TFL money is that one lot want to go the whole hog (LJAG) and one lot want none of it (LJ Road Madness). What its going to end up as is watered down scheme with bits and piece of "improvements" but satisfying neither party and doing little to really improve the area. Just doing enough to maybe satisfy TFL funding requirements. That is the TFL funding is there and has to be spent now. Rather than enthusiastic use of it.

For example I thought the raised road surface was going to be across the whole junction. It now look like its only going to be outside the railway station.

There is nothing to make cycling safer. Widening pavements ( number 1 and from the small drawing it looks like thats the proposal) without improvements for cycling leads to situation like in Shaftesbury avenue where traffic gets even closer to the cyclist. But that has raised surface so one is not pushed up against the kerb. I dont see that on these plans.

Improvement to junction without measures to reduce/ deter through traffic will possibly cause bottlenecks of traffic.

I have got the impression the Council are getting a bit desperate to get on with it. The event on Saturday- I would be careful that chatty officers will be on hand to encourage one to support this "initial concept". Which in reality is the only one on the table.

What happens if I say I want some money spent of closing Padfield road one end to make that road safer? Why not? I will suggest that on Saturday. The likely answer will be that this is ruled out of order. But I thought that after the previous debacle those who wanted Loughborough road reopened said they still wanted traffic through area reduced in other ways. Where is this in the proposals? Or is it that LJ road madness have won the day pretty well completely? Thats how it looks to me.

They are also likely to ask vague questions about how one feels the area should be "improved".

Basically I think yet again the masses are in danger of being used as consultation fodder.

I would be very careful of what I would say.
 
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Agreed Gramsci. 'consultation fodder'.

I'm sure you're right that this £750,000 must be spent / allocated quickly now, by a certain date or else it goes away.
Still no response from the mysterious Steve or anyone else.

By the way, on a related note, I wrote asking for a point of contact to find out about the LJ plans in general and the playground in particular & got this as an answer - looks like they think it's a done deal (ie the flats are coming) despite nobody , far as I know , having ticked the 'yes good idea' box during that consultation.

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I have gone off consultation lately. You get consulted on Remaining and then get told you have to agree with Brexitting because "The People Have Spoken".

Obviously this does demonstrate that framing the question is less than 100% of the solution for the technocrats.

Back last year the notorious Loughborough Road Closure demonstrated that the consultation turned out to be partial and flawed - and the bulldozer had to go into reverse.

I am beginning to think that these pre-framed elections on binary principles are themselves absolutely flawed - you get Hilary or Donald - what a choice.

I am thinking of going to the consultation and suggesting that they cut the grass in the park, see xsunnysuex: Loughborough Junction chitter-chatter
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Agreed Gramsci. 'consultation fodder'.

I'm sure you're right that this £750,000 must be spent / allocated quickly now, by a certain date or else it goes away.
Still no response from the mysterious Steve or anyone else.

By the way, on a related note, I wrote asking for a point of contact to find out about the LJ plans in general and the playground in particular & got this as an answer - looks like they think it's a done deal (ie the flats are coming) despite nobody , far as I know , having ticked the 'yes good idea' box during that consultation.

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That's very interesting on the playground. As with the Brixton Central Master plan officers are already deciding on "regeneration".
 
Yep. It's a very pretty leaflet advertising an event with 'locally sourced food' and saying to 'call Steve' if you want to know what the plans are for the area.
When I saw it downstairs (one copy for a nice victorian building with 4 flats in) was curious about how many people had been blessed with a copy of the 'have your say in the future of Loughborough Junction' invitation.
no invite here either .......yet ;)
anyway isn't this the the same scheme as last year minus the controversial experimental road closures, then again maybe not because it's hard to imagine a public space between wyck gardens and the junction with traffic weaving between mature olive trees ( a tfl staple) and fixed seating.
 
no invite here either .......yet ;)
anyway isn't this the the same scheme as last year minus the controversial experimental road closures, then again maybe not because it's hard to imagine a public space between wyck gardens and the junction with traffic weaving between mature olive trees ( a tfl staple) and fixed seating.

One of the car lobby was complaining about the traffic having to weave around the trees etc. As what is needed is big wide road. Preferably straight with no traffic calming. The argument being the new housing being built will mean more people who will undoubtedly have cars. So roads with anything that may hinder cars speeding along should be opposed.

When it was pointed out that new developments do not have onsite parking due to planning restrictions this was ridiculed.

The other thing mentioned at the LJNPF was the Council looking at bringing in CPZ zones across Lambeth. Thats going to be resisted from what Ive seen.

Its quite staggering to me, admittedly as a non car owner who cycles and uses buses/ tube, how car owners will oppose anything whatsoever. They have won over the road closure of Loughborough Road now they will be watering down any new proposals.
 
One of the car lobby was complaining about the traffic having to weave around the trees etc. As what is needed is big wide road. Preferably straight with no traffic calming. The argument being the new housing being built will mean more people who will undoubtedly have cars. So roads with anything that may hinder cars speeding along should be opposed.

When it was pointed out that new developments do not have onsite parking due to planning restrictions this was ridiculed.

The other thing mentioned at the LJNPF was the Council looking at bringing in CPZ zones across Lambeth. Thats going to be resisted from what Ive seen.

Its quite staggering to me, admittedly as a non car owner who cycles and uses buses/ tube, how car owners will oppose anything whatsoever. They have won over the road closure of Loughborough Road now they will be watering down any new proposals.
Are there no parking controls in Loughborough Road - or on the estate roads?
Coldharbour Lane (Loughborough Park area) has had controlled parking since at least as early as 1990.

The other thing I was thinking was this - the map in the consultation leaflet seems to refer to the original closed Loughborough Road situation.
So should they have re-drawn the map - or are we going to have a re-run of last year's dispute?
 
Are there no parking controls in Loughborough Road - or on the estate roads?
Coldharbour Lane (Loughborough Park area) has had controlled parking since at least as early as 1990.

The other thing I was thinking was this - the map in the consultation leaflet seems to refer to the original closed Loughborough Road situation.
So should they have re-drawn the map - or are we going to have a re-run of last year's dispute?

CPZ? Not on Loughborough road by the estate. The Council is thinking of rolling out CPZ across Lambeth. From what was said at meeting there will be a lot of opposition.

I don’t understand what you mean by the original closed road. Loughborough road is open in this new proposal.

The TFL money is specifically for the Junction so cannot be spent elsewhere.
 
CPZ? Not on Loughborough road by the estate. The Council is thinking of rolling out CPZ across Lambeth. From what was said at meeting there will be a lot of opposition..
this has been rumbling on for years, please note a cpz is sold to the resident/motorist as a way to guarantee a car parking space at a price in the immediate vicinity of ones dwelling not as a way of reducing the number of vehicles on the street IIRC the administration of street parking in Lambeth has been tendered out to the latest incarnation of NCP ( National Car Parks) whose name I forget because it keeps changing, last time I looked the owners of NCP were some corporate finance organisation/ hedge fund.....in the last consultation we were told that money raised from fines and the sale of permits went towards administrating the zone, I asked my councillor what this meant in plain language but at that point he clammed up and pleaded ignorance.
 
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