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I see Grant Shapps and Thameslink have now achieved what Thatcher and Covid didn't. From 26th July there has been one train an hour from Loughborough to Wimbledon and one an hour to Sutton via Mitcham Junction.

This makes a staggered hourly service for those travelling from LJ to town - trains leave at 15 minutes and 30 minutes past the hour, with a 45 minute gap between. On the other hand from 1645 the service pattern switches to 45 minutes past the hour and 30 minutes past the hour, again with a 45 minute gap,

I guess this might reduce congestion at Loughborough Junction - "customers" will be sufficiently confused and pissed off to give up.
 

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Gramsci said:
The issue with Coldharbour works is that the external Landlord works are being done without it appears going past Lambeth planning. It's not clear if planning permission is required.

Secondly this is KIBA site. Four Boroughs and Friendship Brewery don't appear to have applied for change use.

This is being queried.
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teuchter said:
I think they will claim that it can be done under permitted development rights. But there are a few things they are doing that go at least into a grey area. They are replacing the windows and the new ones sort-of match the old ones, but not entirely. They seem to have dismantled the two peaked glazed rooflight lanterns which were previously quite prominent from a distance and may be part of the original victorian structure. The building is on a 'local list' but this doesn't really give it any formal protection.

And you're right about the KIBA designation.
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On this... I understand that Lambeth planning enforcement have looked at it and determined that the owners have been doing stuff that they should have applied for planning permission for. Only ground floor works would be covered under permitted development.

Therefore they now need to apply for planning permission retrospectively. In theory Lambeth could refuse it and require them to reverse the alterations although I'd be surprised if that happened.

It's hard to believe that they didn't know they needed planning permission so looks like they were hoping just to get away with making changes to a locally listed historic building and nobody notice. I wonder who the actual owners are - should be apparent on the planning applications.
 
teuchter said:
On this... I understand that Lambeth planning enforcement have looked at it and determined that the owners have been doing stuff that they should have applied for planning permission for. Only ground floor works would be covered under permitted development.

Therefore they now need to apply for planning permission retrospectively. In theory Lambeth could refuse it and require them to reverse the alterations although I'd be surprised if that happened.

It's hard to believe that they didn't know they needed planning permission so looks like they were hoping just to get away with making changes to a locally listed historic building and nobody notice. I wonder who the actual owners are - should be apparent on the planning applications.
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Impression I got from the licensing applications is that the owner knows that in practise Planning enforcement is quite weak.

So is the change to A3 on ground floor allowable under permitted development?
 
teuchter said:
On this... I understand that Lambeth planning enforcement have looked at it and determined that the owners have been doing stuff that they should have applied for planning permission for. Only ground floor works would be covered under permitted development.

Therefore they now need to apply for planning permission retrospectively. In theory Lambeth could refuse it and require them to reverse the alterations although I'd be surprised if that happened.

It's hard to believe that they didn't know they needed planning permission so looks like they were hoping just to get away with making changes to a locally listed historic building and nobody notice. I wonder who the actual owners are - should be apparent on the planning applications.
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Plus as I said Kings are doing the internal refurb the outside works come under the landlord. Who seems to know his stuff when it comes to dealing with planning.

As far as I know when it comes to business and planning enforcement the guidelines are to take sympathetic approach. ie let owner get away with it. In this case main use is for NHS. So planning are unlikely to take hard line approach.

I don't think this is good. I also think Kings should have had more oversight to see that the owner was getting planning permission. Instead of saying that its nothing to do with them.
 
Gramsci said:
Plus as I said Kings are doing the internal refurb the outside works come under the landlord. Who seems to know his stuff when it comes to dealing with planning.

As far as I know when it comes to business and planning enforcement the guidelines are to take sympathetic approach. ie let owner get away with it. In this case main use is for NHS. So planning are unlikely to take hard line approach.

I don't think this is good.
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I agree.
 
Something went down at the tesco express, police tape all around it about 5 police cars with lights flashing when I was heading home at about 7ish tonight.
 
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Something went down at the tesco express, police tape all around it about 5 police cars with lights flashing when I was heading home at about 7ish tonight.
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Clearly not super-serious or fatal. When I went in about 9.30 pm there was no sign of police or tape.
 
Police statement

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Teenager arrested after loaded firearm recovered in Coldharbour Lane, Brixton

The Met Police have released a statement about the loaded handgun recovered in Loughborough Junction on Weds, 25th August 2021:
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Other half just went into Best One at end of Barrington Rd. Note on the window saying from 16th Sept there will be a post office there. Didn't expect that. But will be very handy.
 
That would be very handy, the reason I often don't use royal mail for parcels is that it takes so much time to walk into Camberwell or Brixton and then stand in a queue.
 
teuchter said:
That would be very handy, the reason I often don't use royal mail for parcels is that it takes so much time to walk into Camberwell or Brixton and then stand in a queue.
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Yes your right. Very happy about this. But I wonder who's going to run it.
 
Gramsci said:
Plus as I said Kings are doing the internal refurb the outside works come under the landlord. Who seems to know his stuff when it comes to dealing with planning.

As far as I know when it comes to business and planning enforcement the guidelines are to take sympathetic approach. ie let owner get away with it. In this case main use is for NHS. So planning are unlikely to take hard line approach.

I don't think this is good. I also think Kings should have had more oversight to see that the owner was getting planning permission. Instead of saying that its nothing to do with them.
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Here is the latest to be inflicted upon this building
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GarveyLives said:
Does anyone know if anyone has yet been actually charged with any criminal offence following this arrest?
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apologies I missed this post and only became aware when Gramsci quoted it .
To answer your question it appears someone has now been charged....

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UPDATE: Teenager charged after firearm found during stop and search

A teenager has been charged after officers on patrol recovered a loaded firearm following a stop and search in Coldharbour Lane, Lambeth, on Wednesday, 25...
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editor said:
This is encouraging: The Cambria Society looks to reopen a much loved Loughborough Junction pub – and wants your opinions
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A Star Bars advert popped up on my facebook feed, and out of interest i checked which pubs they have available at the moment looking for a new landlord.

The Cambria came up as below:

www.starpubs.co.uk

Cambria Camberwell

www.starpubs.co.uk www.starpubs.co.uk

Am i right in thinking that if you want a shot at running the place you need to have £175k to send to Heineken?! :eek: . I have very little knowledge of how these things work, but you'd hope that maybe they could have forked out of the refurb....
 
It looks a bit like that.

Does it really need a refurb? In terms of getting customers back in there, perhaps "the pub being open" should be the priority.
 
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