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cuppa tee said:
I know that yard quite well having had my car worked on there over quite a few years. I’m fairly confident that both the door and the little window near it are new. The guy who ran the mechanics decided to move his operation out of town after a heart attack. He told me it was sold to a properator surveyor/developer based in Brixton, think the developer got planning permission on it at some point...( edited to add the door and window are both absent in that Ariel photo)
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I think the door is new, yes. In any case there used to be a tall brick wall running parallel to the back of the big building. It's mostly demolished in this photo I took a few months ago:

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I'm not sure if this portion of land has been taken into the same ownership as the 'coldharbour works' building. The fact they've taken the wall down and made a new doorway suggests it might have been.
 
teuchter said:
I think the door is new, yes. In any case there used to be a tall brick wall running parallel to the back of the big building. It's mostly demolished in this photo I took a few months ago:

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I'm not sure if this portion of land has been taken into the same ownership as the 'coldharbour works' building. The fact they've taken the wall down and made a new doorway suggests it might have been.
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i don’t rememember the wall that’s been knocked down, there was a paint spray room thereabouts, those windows look very new, the frames look like upv, and there are stickers on the glass. I know the space in the railway arch was rented off network rail because the mechanic got in a big dispute over unpaid service charges after he left,.,
 
cuppa tee said:
i don’t rememember the wall that’s been knocked down, there was a paint spray room thereabouts, those windows look very new, the frames look like upv, and there are stickers on the glass. I know the space in the railway arch was rented off network rail because the mechanic got in a big dispute over unpaid service charges after he left,.,
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They've been replacing all the windows over the past few months. The ground floor ones would have been behind the wall while it was still car wash/mechanics. You can see the remnants of the wall (yellow painted) towards the left of my photo and it's still there in the aerial photo.
 
teuchter said:
They've been replacing all the windows over the past few months. The ground floor ones would have been behind the wall while it was still car wash/mechanics. You can see the remnants of the wall (yellow painted) towards the left of my photo and it's still there in the aerial photo.
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i suspect you are right about the change of ownership but I’d be very surprised if you get that cut through. It looks more like parking for the cold harbour works, or a seating area if the railway arch/arches turn into a brew house or eating and drinking business.
 
Interesting that Coldharbour Works have been, what appears, to be making a new entrance.

There have been two applications to use courtyard of the works for drinking area.

Local residents were not happy with this idea and I helped them oppose it. The new brewery business on ground floor did not get permission to use it. Reason disturbance to local residents. The right decision by Licensing Committee.

A second application has come along from Five Boroughs coffee shop. Which have also installed themselves in ground floor.

Another issue is that this is a KIBA site. So A3 food, drink, entertainment should not be allowed.

Whole point of KIBA sites is that they are safeguarded to provide business units.

Its looking to me that the owner is letting ground floor to people who want to use it for A3.

It is bizarre but licensing and planning departments work separately. One can apply for drinks license even if one has no planning permission to use site for A3 bar /cafe/ entertainment
 
That area, the one off Hinton Rd, is not surrounded by any residential properties unlike the main internal courtyard so I wonder if they are going to try and use it for drinking/eating area.

I assume the licensing applications were for the internal courtyard so far?
 
teuchter said:
That area, the one off Hinton Rd, is not surrounded by any residential properties unlike the main internal courtyard so I wonder if they are going to try and use it for drinking/eating area.

I assume the licensing applications were for the internal courtyard so far?
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Yes. The residents Houses are directly by the internal courtyard. Use as business units has never caused them problems.

Licensing Commitee refused use of the internal courtyard.

So you could be right.

Also licensing Committee refused use of the main Shakespeare Road entrance for patrons. Due to this affecting local residents.

So this new entrance might be way to get around this.

Must say some of this appears to be done without planning approval first.
 
It's a bit of a shame they didn't put up similar opposition to that higgs one which I'd say is worse in many ways. Like you say, Lambeth already have given permission for it.
 
teuchter said:
It's a bit of a shame they didn't put up similar opposition to that higgs one which I'd say is worse in many ways. Like you say, Lambeth already have given permission for it.
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Yes there was a lot of community opposition to the Higgs Triangle development plans. But there is still time to try and influence this one people ....
 
JSR said:
Yes there was a lot of community opposition to the Higgs Triangle development plans. But there is still time to try and influence this one people ....
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And if anyone wants to put together an article for Brixton Buzz we'd be happy to run it!
 
Back to the towers - so Lambeth have rejected this and so it is over to the Mayor to decide. Here is the LJAG flyer - please get your objections in to the Mayor's office immediately and spread the word
 

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Can anyone help on "The Garden of Privatised Delights"?

I had a cryptic long email newsletter from LJAG on Monday - about lots of things, the twin towers, the Loughborough Farm, the Grove Adventure Playground.

But for me the stand-out shock item was the Venice Biennale.
Seems LJAG projects pop up in the British Council pavilion at the Biennale this year.
There is a description of this - but I can't find it

Venice Biennale Architettura 2021
Is now live and Loughborough Junction features in the British Pavilion’s Garden of Privatised Delights. Public Works' huge photo installation aims to visualise all the invisible relationships in communities that often are not valued, but are so crucial to making places what they are. Pictured at the top are the kids from Grove Adventure Playground who were invited to be part of the photoshoot, drawing on the history of protest at the playground and the constant threat of the loss of what should be public/community space for development. Also in the photo are volunteers from Loughborough Farm, the team The Platform Cafe horses from Ebony Riding Horse Club, home education groups and many more members involved in community initiatives. Take a brief tour in this short film, and hear more the from ideas behind the exhibition and the way Public Works approach the use of public spaces in this short film Ministry of Common Land.
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I think I detected Anthea at 1m 13s into this video clip from the site - but is there more on another link?


PS I'm very impressed LJAG now has a link to Venice. I've always fancied dying here. Anyone who has seen the opening of this epic by Britain's greatest docudrama director, Tony Palmer, will see why
 
Was chatting to the guy who runs the Four Boroughs coffee shop at Coldharbour Works today (he does an excellent, if not exactly discount-priced flat white).
Apparently CHW has been bought out by Kings College Hospital, who are currently refitting it. The craft brewery and coffee shop will stay, but the rest is to be work space for 300-odd admin people from the hospital. Hopefully it'll be a significant boost for the local economy. The old car wash on Hinton Road is going to be a car park for the offices, but there is a suggestion it might be repurposed at weekends as a market space or some such.
Once the workers are in, it seems likely that a new licensing application for the internal courtyard will also be submitted.
 
goldengraham said:
Was chatting to the guy who runs the Four Boroughs coffee shop at Coldharbour Works today (he does an excellent, if not exactly discount-priced flat white).
Apparently CHW has been bought out by Kings College Hospital, who are currently refitting it. The craft brewery and coffee shop will stay, but the rest is to be work space for 300-odd admin people from the hospital. Hopefully it'll be a significant boost for the local economy. The old car wash on Hinton Road is going to be a car park for the offices, but there is a suggestion it might be repurposed at weekends as a market space or some such.
Once the workers are in, it seems likely that a new licensing application for the internal courtyard will also be submitted.
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That's interesting, thanks for posting. Does that mean it was initially 'rebranded' with the intention to have it as rentable workspace, and has since been bought out by Kings? Or have they been behind the refit from the start?
 
teuchter said:
That's interesting, thanks for posting. Does that mean it was initially 'rebranded' with the intention to have it as rentable workspace, and has since been bought out by Kings? Or have they been behind the refit from the start?
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That's right - apparently the original plan was for A3 units + rentable workspaces, then Kings moved in and snapped it all up for themselves
 
If there's a bunch of Kings people working there, perhaps that increases the chances of a walking route being opened up through the site, from Coldharbour Lane - Hinton Rd (then an obvious walking route to/from the hospital via Wanless Rd and Ruskin Park).
 
goldengraham said:
Was chatting to the guy who runs the Four Boroughs coffee shop at Coldharbour Works today (he does an excellent, if not exactly discount-priced flat white).

Once the workers are in, it seems likely that a new licensing application for the internal courtyard will also be submitted.
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A license for the internal courtyard has now been rejected twice by Licensing committee. One put in by the Friendship brewery and one by Four Boroughs.

Reason is that it would affect residents.

Also I know in case of Friendship brewery they do not rent the courtyard. It's not under control of the applicant.
 
At last LJ Neighbourhood forum someone from Kings came to talk about them moving into the Coldharbour works. They are doing the internal refit and owner is responsible for exterior works.

They will be using Hinton road new entrance for staff to avoid causing disturbance to local resident on Shakespeare Road.

Kings are going to have 90 per cent of the building.

Its going to be for research people/ Finance staff and clinical therapy centre.

About 350 people.

As they are moving their they have been talking to police.

They don't want the internal courtyard to have drinks license as they consider this to be inappropriate due to that building will be used for health. They have told local police this.

They will have use on Hinton Road side parking for I think 8 vehicles.
 
The issue with Coldharbour works is that the external Landlord works are being done without it appears going past Lambeth planning. It's not clear if planning permission is required.

Secondly this is KIBA site. Four Boroughs and Friendship Brewery don't appear to have applied for change use.

This is being queried.
 
Gramsci said:
The issue with Coldharbour works is that the external Landlord works are being done without it appears going past Lambeth planning. It's not clear if planning permission is required.
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I think they will claim that it can be done under permitted development rights. But there are a few things they are doing that go at least into a grey area. They are replacing the windows and the new ones sort-of match the old ones, but not entirely. They seem to have dismantled the two peaked glazed rooflight lanterns which were previously quite prominent from a distance and may be part of the original victorian structure. The building is on a 'local list' but this doesn't really give it any formal protection.

And you're right about the KIBA designation.
 
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