Lost Prophets...

[cesare]

There are are more issues at work here - authority, domination, celebrity, dependence, all sorts of psychological stuff - than just drug use. Same as with the maoists.

Yes, I think it's way more complex than blaming it on the meth.

 

[fishfinger]

Is the implication that Watkin's was able to identify fans who were already paedophiles then?

No, I'm not implying anything about the mothers. It was about Citizen66's apparent suggestion that meth caused Watkins behaviour.

 

[belboid]

Is the implication that Watkin's was able to identify fans who were already paedophiles then? If we're saying that the drugs didn't cause the mother's behaviour, then they must already have been abusers. Addiction turns people into all sorts of things they weren't before.

In the case of Watkins, he was clearly already that way before he'd smoked anything Class A.

he was abusing his celebrity status, the fact that many girls and young women would do anything for him. Find someone who is vulnerable and bingo. Its the classic action of a paedophile, with or without drugs

 

[belboid]

It's silly to deny that drugs (or alcohol) played any role in such cases. They act as a 'lubricant' enabling the taker to lower their inhibitions and do things they have thought about but not, for whatever reason, actually done. They're not causal, but they are a part of the mix

 

[Favelado]

Yes, I think it's way more complex than blaming it on the meth.

Of course, he stated that his plan was "turn them into Superfans" or something of that ilk. He knew that he could control and subjugate others by means of his fame. I wonder if creating drug addicts was part of his plan as well though. The desperation of a meth addict might be useful in your plans to carry out the most degrading acts possible.

 

[unrepentant85]

Somebody's just come out with the first ian watkins joke..... it was quite funny, but I dont know whether I should still be at the disgusted stage.

I recieved one at 5.48pm yesterday, im usually up for the sickest of sick jokes but that was a bit soon even for me.

Will share it tomorrow.

 

[cesare]

Of course, he stated that his plan was "turn them into Superfans" or something of that ilk. He knew that he could control and subjugate others by means of his fame. I wonder if creating drug addicts was part of his plan as well though. The desperation of a meth addict might be useful in your plans to carry out the most degrading acts possible.

His sexually compulsive behaviour was paedophilia *and* hebephilia too (pedohebephilia, I'd not heard that term before) together with the power/domination/subjugation aspect of the children and mothers. Maybe as you say, the wish to dominate was also via the vehicle of drug addiction.

 

[likesfish]

Tbf I've known ok people who turn into violent arseholes with a few beers in them so drugs do effect peoples minds thats why they take the
You'd have to be in a pretty dark place to think Teven start down that path the meth would not have been a restraining factor

 

[Citizen66]

No, their violent nature being the aggravating factor.

I wonder how these people manage to hold jobs down without their 'violent nature' getting in the way.

 

[Citizen66]

No, I'm not implying anything about the mothers. It was about Citizen66's apparent suggestion that meth caused Watkins behaviour.

Where did I say it 'caused' his behaviour?

It will have been a factor. Meth is horrible.

 

[fishfinger]

Where did I say it 'caused' his behaviour?

It will have been a factor. Meth is horrible.

Meth corrupts the soul. I'm not normally one to point the finger at drugs but I can't think of any other explanation.

That was the post I was referring to.

 

[belboid]

I wonder how these people manage to hold jobs down without their 'violent nature' getting in the way.

because they can hold it back until they are under the control of alcohol?? Drugs deinhibit people, not fundamentally change them

 

[discokermit]

they gave tons of meth to pilots during the second world war. i've never heard of them going round raping babies.

 

[butchersapron]

they gave tons of meth to pilots during the second world war. i've never heard of them going round raping babies.

Bloody poles - coming over here taking all our meth.

 

[Favelado]

they gave tons of meth to pilots during the second world war. i've never heard of them going round raping babies.

Crystal meth or just some form of amphetamine?

 

[Citizen66]

because they can hold it back until they are under the control of alcohol?? Drugs deinhibit people, not fundamentally change them

Drugs do both. They deinhibit some and fundamentally change others.

 

[Citizen66]

That was the post I was referring to.

I really don't care enough to have a protracted debate about it.

 

[belboid]

Drugs do both. They deinhibit some and fundamentally change others.

I dont see how they'd create a sexual desire for children

 

[Bigfoot]

they gave tons of meth to pilots during the second world war. i've never heard of them going round raping babies.

Their job was to go and fly Spitfires and fight to the death with Nazis in the air, they didn't need any extra curricular insanity.

 

[Citizen66]

I dont see how they'd create a sexual desire for children

What does create a sexual desire for children?

 

[discokermit]

Crystal meth or just some form of amphetamine?

"One of the earliest uses of methamphetamine was during World War II, when it was used by Axis and Allied forces.[20] The company Temmler produced methamphetamine under the trademark Pervitin and so did the German and Finnish militaries. It was also dubbed "Pilot's chocolate" or "Pilot's salt".[21] It was widely distributed across rank and division, from elite forces to tank crews and aircraft personnel, with many millions of tablets being distributed throughout the war.[22] Its use by German Panzer crews also led to it being known as "Panzerschokolade" ("Panzer chocolate" or "tankers' chocolate")."

from wiki.

methamphetamine, though not smoking crystals, but i doubt that makes much of a difference.


i think the whole drug thing is a red herring. he's just used it as a justification so he doesn't have to face up to what he has done. amphetamines often make it damn near impossible to have sex at all.

 

[discokermit]

What does create a sexual desire for children?

society.

 

[Citizen66]

society.

Not specific enough. Unless you're suggesting everyone is a paedophile?

 

[discokermit]

Not specific enough. Unless you're suggesting everyone is a paedophile?

it's the answer, specific or no. as for the second bit, c'mon? fucksake.

 

[19sixtysix]

I dont see how they'd create a sexual desire for children

Drugs don't create desire. Paedophillia is a sexual desire like any other probably hardwired into the brain. I wonder what someone who grows up with these feelings is meant do about it.

 

[trashpony]

Drugs don't create desire. Paedophillia is a sexual desire like any other probably hardwired into the brain. I wonder what someone who grows up with these feelings is meant do about it.

Seek help. Not rape babies

 

[8ball]

Drugs don't create desire.

I find cannabis creates a desire for unhealthy snacks.

 

[Stigmata]

Drugs don't create desire. Paedophillia is a sexual desire like any other probably hardwired into the brain. I wonder what someone who grows up with these feelings is meant do about it.

I reckon in times past a lot of the conscientious ones would have ended up in monasteries away from temptation. Maybe we need a modern secular equivalent.

 

[TitanSound]

I find cannabis creates a desire for delicious snacks.

Fixed.

 

[cesare]

society.

Although (apparently) over the past decade there have been studies that also link it to brain structure and function. From the great god wiki.