Right then, braindeath, let's look at that OP, shall we?
Revo68 has suggestted to me, in a lovely manner, that it is wrong to look after 'one's own' .. qoute " .. you are a parochial socialist who wants to look after "his own", which would explain why you think closed shops and sons and daughters housing policies are progressive. Fuck off back to Royston Vasey you petty minded fuck..."
this attitude has come up a few times on urban and i think it is VERY interesting and VERY wrong and explains a lot about why the left are so small in this country ..
my reply was " ..your level of political understanding and of humanism and of humanity is ignorent and dismal .. you use 'look after their own' as an insult .. incredible.
it is this basic failure of the left to 'look after their own' .. indeed its almost total alienation from 'it's own' that is the root cause of why the left and @ are so small .
you have no understanding of the most basic processes that must be followed if we want the big prize .. of simple combination in the community and workforce ... we must start from the very very bottom .. we must NOT build our castle on sand like has always been done before .. it has been done by m/c revos many times before and it always fails .. and indeed it usually ushers in reaction .. and THIS is what i am afraid of
as i said before .. go and have kids and then tell me you don't understand what it means to look after your own .. it is not exclusive it is not reactionary it is not racist blah blah blah .. it is just simple humanity from which we can ripple out .."
and p.s. b4 anyone (yetagain) says 'this is racist',the community where i live AND and that includes my friends and THEREFORE 'my own', is mixed in race and colour and age and sexual orientation etc etc
I think this is the first revealing comment:
my reply was " ..your level of political understanding and of humanism and of humanity is ignorent and dismal .. you use 'look after their own' as an insult .. incredible.
Rather than try and engage with revol's post by dealing with its points, durutti issues abuse instead. anyone can say "your level of political understanding [...] is ignorent(sic) and dismal" but why was Revol's position so "ignorant and dismal"...no explanation is given.
But what does this mean?
this attitude has come up a few times on urban and i think it is VERY interesting and VERY wrong and explains a lot about why the left are so small in this country ..
Interesting, if weak analysis that has been informed by sectarian values. It is people like durutti who undermine the left through sectarian bickering. But why is this "attitude" both "interesting" and "wrong"?
as i said before .. go and have kids and then tell me you don't understand what it means to look after your own .. it is not exclusive it is not reactionary it is not racist blah blah blah .. it is just simple humanity from which we can ripple out .."
So this is more of a spat between durutti and Revol, yet the OP doesn't specifically relate to "families" or anything like them.
Here, he repeats his mantra that the "left are small".
it is this basic failure of the left to 'look after their own' .. indeed its almost total alienation from 'it's own' that is the root cause of why the left and @ are so small .
So, he turns from the family back to this...who is the "left's" own? I would have thought everyone was the "Left's" own. All people regardless of colour, religion etc.
So, he is aware of how this phrase is used but, when one looks at the OP, there are contradictions and so, he issues a disclaimer at the end.
and p.s. b4 anyone (yetagain) says 'this is racist',the community where i live AND and that includes my friends and THEREFORE 'my own', is mixed in race and colour and age and sexual orientation etc etc
He has used the phrase "our own", while realising it is an ideologically loaded phrase and then gets defensive about it when he is questioned.
Durutti, I would suggest, that if you don't want people to get the wrong idea, that you read what you type before you post it.
