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London: the unlockening/relockening

elbows said:
If the system actually manages to function then I believe some team would eventually get your info and contact you to talk about your contacts.

In the past a lot of this work, in terms of which of your contacts are then tracked down and told to self-isolate, has cut-off points based on arbitrary rules about what is deemed to be a 'close contact'. eg one aspect involved a 15-minute rule where the person didnt count as a close contact if the duration of contact was under 15 minutes, regardless of some of the other details of the contact incident. Since I am not privy to all of these details, on paper or in practice, I cannot therefore claim that the team dealing with you would decide to approach the pub and then follow up with everyone who was there. It would not shock me if, for example, they only intend to use the pub data if they get evidence of a cluster of cases linked to the pub rather than a single one. So it probably isnt just a question of you testing positive, but also other people who can be linked back to the same evening in the pub as you testing positive, and then someone getting the right data and joining those dots and then actually deciding to take action.
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BIB - that's my understanding of how it would work, as carried out in other countries.
 
You can all fuck off.

I said IF I go to Pop Brixton, because I'm interested in their new role in collecing data about the public. IF. IF. Don't make 100 assumptions about someone you don't know and then treat them like a small child.
 
David Clapson said:
You can all fuck off.

I said IF I go to Pop Brixton, because I'm interested in their new role in collecing data about the public. IF. IF. Don't make 100 assumptions about someone you don't know and then treat them like a small child.
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Jesus christ your posts read like a kid having a tantrum, you asked some incoherent question and made some unclear statements and suggested you might go out despite having a symptom (maybe?) and are now having a strop. Dickhead.
 
David Clapson said:
You can all fuck off.

I said IF I go to Pop Brixton, because I'm interested in their new role in collecing data about the public. IF. IF. Don't make 100 assumptions about someone you don't know and then treat them like a small child.
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:D :thumbs:
 
David Clapson said:
You can all fuck off.

I said IF I go to Pop Brixton, because I'm interested in their new role in collecing data about the public. IF. IF. Don't make 100 assumptions about someone you don't know and then treat them like a small child.
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If the assumption that people are making about someone they don't know is such that they treat them like a small child, maybe that is because they are behaving like one. Fucktard.
 
Anyway.
Went for a spin in town this evening, around 7pm or so.
Roads still get increasingly quiet as you approach central London, with the exception of a few main roads. Queuing traffic over Tower Bridge and at Vauxhall Bridge.
Central London itself still pretty quiet but not so much as before. Quite a lot of people cycling, and a fair proportion of them looked like commuters to me, which definitely wasn't the case a couple of weeks ago.
South London parks busy despite the ropey weather.

I saw Jacob Rees Mogg outside the Houses of Parliament.
 
the partial pedestrianisation of Soho has gone ahead. to facilitate al fresco dining & drinking.
the main part of Compton St 11am to 11pm plus the rest of Compton St and Dean St, Frith St, Greek St from 5pm to 11pm.
I never thought I'd see the day I'd be cheering on something from Westminster council. will just have to wait and see where actually opens up again.

www.standard.co.uk

17 Soho streets to be temporarily pedestrianised from July 4

After winning more than 6,500 signatures in support – among them Bill Nighy, Orlando Bloom and countless restaurants and bars – a campaign to pedestrianise much of Soho has found some success.
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
 
kenny g said:
Just looked it up. I hadn't registered its association with retard. Genuine apologies. And yes, it would be offensive and unnecessary in that context. Thank you for calling me up on it.
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Fair enough. This week thanks to trump I found out about the root of denigrate. Have a good weekend.
 
Cerv said:
the partial pedestrianisation of Soho has gone ahead. to facilitate al fresco dining & drinking.
the main part of Compton St 11am to 11pm plus the rest of Compton St and Dean St, Frith St, Greek St from 5pm to 11pm.
I never thought I'd see the day I'd be cheering on something from Westminster council. will just have to wait and see where actually opens up again.

www.standard.co.uk

17 Soho streets to be temporarily pedestrianised from July 4

After winning more than 6,500 signatures in support – among them Bill Nighy, Orlando Bloom and countless restaurants and bars – a campaign to pedestrianise much of Soho has found some success.
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
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That might even make going to Soho appealing if it lasts.
 
Additional pedestrianisation or not, I think what happens on Saturday and afterwards in London is going to be the particular test of how pub re-opening works, or not! :eek:

How fucking busy is it all going to become?? :hmm: ... I'd love to see peoples' impressions!

Reports from London-based and other big city-based Urbs (drinkers or not!) will be welcomed, cheers .... :)

(Nothing happening pub-wise here in Wales until Monday 13th July, if then. And pubs with outside seating only, to start with in Wales, too).
 
It’s not a free for all and if pubs pubs have any sense, don’t open unless they have a garden or are big enough to allow people to space out.

This has to happen at some point, the virus isn’t going to go away, it’s at pretty low levels. It’s fairly low risk.

I think we also need to start assessing risk individually rather than having a top down approach. The gov should educate about risk and provide guidance on how to lower risk to yourself and for the people around you.
 
Sunray said:
It’s not a free for all and if pubs pubs have any sense, don’t open unless they have a garden or are big enough to allow people to space out.

This has to happen at some point, the virus isn’t going to go away, it’s at pretty low levels. It’s fairly low risk.

I think we also need to start assessing risk individually rather than having a top down approach. The gov should educate about risk and provide guidance on how to lower risk to yourself and for the people around you.
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I like this optimistic/positive take :cool:
I hope it all works out better than many fear then -- pubs-wise especially :)
 
www.mirror.co.uk

Coronavirus R rate creeps up above 1 in London just hours before lockdown eases

Government figures reveal that the R rate could be as high as 1.1 in London - meaning cases of the deadly virus are starting to grow again - while it could have reached 1 in the Midlands, the North East and Yorkshire, the South East and the South West
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk


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To be precise it says up to 1.1:

The R values and growth rate for the following regions are:

  • East of England: 0.7-0.9, minus 5% to 0%
  • London: 0.8-1.1, minus 4% to plus 2%
  • Midlands: 0.8-1, with an unchanged growth rate of minus 4% to 0%.
  • North East and Yorkshire: 0.8-1, minus 5% to 0%
  • North West: 0.7-0.9, minus 4% to 0%
  • South East: 0.7 to 1, minus 5% to 0%
  • South West: 0.7 to 1, minus 7% to plus 2%.
 
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I really don't ever see a full lockdown ever coming back unless people start dying in the street.
I'll have boarded up the window before they start automated messages on am radio.
 
ska invita said:
www.mirror.co.uk

Coronavirus R rate creeps up above 1 in London just hours before lockdown eases

Government figures reveal that the R rate could be as high as 1.1 in London - meaning cases of the deadly virus are starting to grow again - while it could have reached 1 in the Midlands, the North East and Yorkshire, the South East and the South West
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk


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To be precise it says up to 1.1:

The R values and growth rate for the following regions are:

  • East of England: 0.7-0.9, minus 5% to 0%
  • London: 0.8-1.1, minus 4% to plus 2%
  • Midlands: 0.8-1, with an unchanged growth rate of minus 4% to 0%.
  • North East and Yorkshire: 0.8-1, minus 5% to 0%
  • North West: 0.7-0.9, minus 4% to 0%
  • South East: 0.7 to 1, minus 5% to 0%
  • South West: 0.7 to 1, minus 7% to plus 2%.
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That's a totally misleading headline. According to the article, in London the rate is estimated to be somewhere between 0.8 and 1.1. So it is most likely less than one. It is more likely that the number of infections are falling than it is that they are rising.

Can't we just send all journalists to numerical literacy bootcamps or something?
 
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