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London: the unlockening/relockening

Police broke-up a street party in Brixton last night, following several complaints, but it didn't go according to plan.



Fifteen police officers were left injured, with two needing hospital treatment, after a south London street party descended into panic and violence.

Scotland Yard said officers were confronted by a “hostile” crowd as they tried to break up a "block party" on Cecilia Road, Brixton, on Wednesday night.

Footage of the chaotic scene shows men jumping on a police car and smashing in the windows as officers flee.


The trouble flared at what police are describing as an “unlicensed” music event which started in the afternoon and ran into the early hours of the morning.
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Police car smashed and 22 cops injured in Brixton street party chaos

Twenty-two police officers were left injured, with two needing hospital treatment, after a south London street party descended into panic and violence.
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"they're taking the table, they're taking the table, they're taking the table, they're taking the table, they're taking the table, they're taking the table, they're taking the table, they're taking the table, ":D
 
cupid_stunt said:
Police broke-up a street party in Brixton last night, following several complaints, but it didn't go according to plan.





www.standard.co.uk

Police car smashed and 22 cops injured in Brixton street party chaos

Twenty-two police officers were left injured, with two needing hospital treatment, after a south London street party descended into panic and violence.
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
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"they're taking the table, they're taking the table, they're taking the table, they're taking the table, they're taking the table, they're taking the table, they're taking the table, they're taking the table, ":D
 
Quite a lot more people on the overground trains, than I've seen in ages, including weekdays, today.

I think people are going to return to public transport faster than many assume.
 
Our downstairs neighbour is trying to sell her flat, there were viewings today , it was fairly busy . We don't want her to move as she's lovely & we share the garden, but she wants to move to South London :eek: to be closer to family. Not sure if this is a good time to buy or sell.
 
Had my first pint in Borough Market last night. Was nice but left as everyone around was steaming drunk/coked up lairy. Saw two fights and atmosphere was very tense. Peope seem to be loosing the plot. Didn't even feel safe re distancing be a while before I bother again.
 
nagapie said:
A friend just messaged me to say some boroughs are in danger of having to go back into lockdown. Did I miss something?
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I don't think we should rule out restrictions being imposed again in some areas whether they be in London or elsewhere if Europe is anything to go by. Part of the problem in being able to even comtemplate such a decision in the UK is that local public health authorities dont have an accurate picture how many cases they have due to govt not sharing data across the testing sites.
 
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AFAIK they're doing lockdowns in Australia and some other places by postcode, so no real reason why that couldn't be done here.
 
The39thStep said:
I don't think we should rule out restrictions being imposed again in some areas whether they be in London or elsewhere if Europe is anything to go by. Part of the problem in being able to even comtemplate such a decision in the UK is that local public health authorities dont have an accurate picture how many cases they have due to govt not sharing data across the testing sites.
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It's not just that, looking at Leicester there's a significant helping of people feeling it's unfair on them and their area, which I guess is partly a manifestation of this idea that some people have that the whole thing is mostly over.
 
nagapie said:
But is that not true like really not true or gov playing down not true.
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There's some info on this from The Mirror. Week on week cases have gone up, in Ealing, Brent, Hounslow and Hammersmith & Fulham but the numbers are still very low and it's probably just the kind of variance you'd expect. So there were 14 new cases in Westminster last week and 4 the week before, elsewhere in London cases are falling so I don't think this is really anything to worry about yet.
 
LynnDoyleCooper said:
It's not just that, looking at Leicester there's a significant helping of people feeling it's unfair on them and their area, which I guess is partly a manifestation of this idea that some people have that the whole thing is mostly over.
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The boundaries debate is another , is it councils/city boundaries. parishes. specific conurbations , streets etc . People are bound to think its over if local authorities dont have the full data and are able to up message. In Manchester where they have managed to get a more fuller picture by getting the 'pillar 2 ' data last week they found '78 new ‘pillar one’ cases, those the region already knew about, but once ‘pillar two’ tests were added in the real figure came to 465. '
 
The39thStep said:
The boundaries debate is another , is it councils/city boundaries. parishes. specific conurbations , streets etc . People are bound to think its over if local authorities dont have the full data and are able to up message. In Manchester where they have managed to get a more fuller picture by getting the 'pillar 2 ' data last week they found '78 new ‘pillar one’ cases, those the region already knew about, but once ‘pillar two’ tests were added in the real figure came to 465. '
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I agree, but I don't think on an individual level that's the reason people are antagonistic about local lockdowns, it's something more than that going on. Councils just need the tools to be ruthless and clear and swift about imposing lockdowns, and then communicating them quickly. Vehicles going around the area with loudspeakers would be a start imo, supplemented by radio and TV and SM adverts, all in different languages. Will be get that, will we fuck.
 
LynnDoyleCooper said:
I agree, but I don't think on an individual level that's the reason people are antagonistic about local lockdowns, it's something more than that going on. Councils just need the tools to be ruthless and clear and swift about imposing lockdowns, and then communicating them quickly. Vehicles going around the area with loudspeakers would be a start imo, supplemented by radio and TV and SM adverts, all in different languages. Will be get that, will we fuck.
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Funnily enough a van with speakers used to go past my place here three or four times a week saying stay in your house. Lisbon's municipal area and attached boroughs started some more restrictions this week due to an increase in cases .
 
Just got an email newsletter from POP Brixton to say they are reopening on Saturday. Masks to be worn when walking around, but not required at tables. Temperature checks upon entry. "All guests will be required to input their data into an online form for the Government’s Track & Trace system. These details will be held securely by Pop Brixton for 21 days, before being deleted." I didn't know the Govt had a track and trace symptom for people who#ve not tested positive.
 
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David Clapson said:
Just got an email newsletter from POP Brixton to say they are reopening on Saturday. Masks to be worn when walking around, but not required at tables. Temperature checks upon entry. "All guests will be required to input their data into an online form for the Government’s Track & Trace system. These details will be held securely by Pop Brixton for 21 days, before being deleted." I didn't know the Govt had a track and trace symptom for people who#ve not tested positive.
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A large part of the work of test & trace teams is to do the contact tracing of peoples contacts. That will include people they have been in the pub with, if they later test positive. So the government asked pubs etc to collect these details. I dont think those details get passed on to the test & trace people unless someone associated with that time and place tests positive, and then this broader data will most certainly be used by tracing teams.
 
Interesting. I've just received a testing kit at home. If I go to POP Brixton this weekend and receive a positive test result next week, what happens?
 
David Clapson said:
Interesting. I've just received a testing kit at home. If I go to POP Brixton this weekend and receive a positive test result next week, what happens?
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If the system actually manages to function then I believe some team would eventually get your info and contact you to talk about your contacts.

In the past a lot of this work, in terms of which of your contacts are then tracked down and told to self-isolate, has cut-off points based on arbitrary rules about what is deemed to be a 'close contact'. eg one aspect involved a 15-minute rule where the person didnt count as a close contact if the duration of contact was under 15 minutes, regardless of some of the other details of the contact incident. Since I am not privy to all of these details, on paper or in practice, I cannot therefore claim that the team dealing with you would decide to approach the pub and then follow up with everyone who was there. It would not shock me if, for example, they only intend to use the pub data if they get evidence of a cluster of cases linked to the pub rather than a single one. So it probably isnt just a question of you testing positive, but also other people who can be linked back to the same evening in the pub as you testing positive, and then someone getting the right data and joining those dots and then actually deciding to take action.
 
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