They told the Tories to fuck off. There is no doubt that Churchill was extremeley popular with all, including the troops, throughout the War.
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They told the Tories to fuck off. There is no doubt that Churchill was extremeley popular with all, including the troops, throughout the War.
Phew. For a moment there I thought I might have posted bullshit. But then belboid pointed out that I hadn't.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Not yet, no - and when there is, it won't be allowed for what the electorate might define as gross misconduct.
What the fuck do you think these protests are about, if not bringing down the government? We can't afford to wait another 4.5 years to get these vandals out. The ballot box is what we want - just not when they tell us we can have it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You don't appear to have kept up with modern history at all - there's been a raft of studies suggesting precisely that Church ill was massively unpopular through all the armed forces, and was seen as an electoral liability for the tories for this reason.
Tankus
Bemused OAP
Yeah, because that's been the main thrust of this thread, hasn't it:
"Lets kick the pols out and take over from them in Parliament".
Sounds like kinnock Prescott straw and darling in their youth ....wonder what happened to them ........duh
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Anyone stupid enough to use a petrol bomb will find that they're all very well for a low-density protest, but that you're more likely to bomb yourself and your mates in a high-density protest such as has happened recently. The only reason the kiddies in Ulster could get at us with theirs was because they had enough room to take a good run-up before hoying their milk bottles, and even then you'd always get a couple setting fire to themselves.
States aren't elected, governments are. His argument was against the government of the day.
There's no right of recall.
Your only opportunity to change things at the ballot box comes once every 4-5 years, and your local candidate is pretty much free to bullshit you about what he'll do, and then do the exact opposite when he's in power.
You're naive.
Agreed.
That's right. He confused his own popularlity with that of the Tories.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You're talking shite again.
All four that you named were never anything but Labour party loyalists, which means that revolution was the furthest thing from their mind.
Duh indeed.
I can remember Churchill when his popularity was only a little dimmed. The day he died Britain came to a halt.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
No, he was just wrong. Again, I note you offer nothing to back up your assertion.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
To me the whole thing is really funny. He'll never leave it down, to be off your head tripping in such a televised way is just... words escape me! I find it odd and irresponsible how people trivialise protests by taking lots of drugs
on the subject of EMA, Monday 13th is Save EMA day, you can sign the petition here: http://saveema.co.uk/save-ema-day
using E's / whizz etc to liven up the odd " a to b - speeches - go home" jobby is fair enough, but Gilmour Jnr's a game lad for doing acid on what was always looking like being a lively affair. Should have swerved the old abseiling under the circumstances though .
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What does that even mean?
Tankus
Bemused OAP
No, in other words you're talking shit.
Your trite comparison of birds crapping on the cenotaph with someone (who's aware of what it is) pissing on it, is childish in the extreme.
I'm "pontificating" on behalf of no one. My views are my own and I've taken pains to make that clear.
Grow up.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Simply untrue. Big crowds at his funeral (a few probably jsut making sure the old cunt was really dead) does not equal 'the whole country coming to a halt.' Same as it didnt when that parasite princess got buried
Tankus
Bemused OAP
Im sure I could find a few choice utterances from Lord kinnock and Lord prescott , but do I really need to ?
How well can you remember that day, belboid?
Funny as fuck.
Well I asked as you seem to be confusing the day he died with the day of his funeral.
You'll see if you read my posts in other threads that I don't expect Labour to do anything. That's the big danger in all this-that it could end up being diverted into making sure Labour will get back into government-and then Labour will implement their own version of essentially the same set of policies as the coalition.
I largely agree that higher education has been expanded out of all proportion. Personally, having been badly educated in inner-city schools myself, I'd prefer the education system to be completely reformed from top to bottom, so that thousands upon thousands of of kids don't reach school leaving age at a considerable disadvantage due to having had their talents neglected by sub-standard schooling with no classroom discipline and no personal attention given (all the things that make the difference between state and private schools). But that is never going to happen, and the current generation of students are protesting because, for good or ill, this is the system we have got, and they've grown up being told, with much justification, that you are nothing if you haven't been in higher education. Plus, however lacking in worth many of today's degrees may be, the chances of getting well-paid worthwhile work is significantly more difficult without one. As I said earlier, there is nothing much out there for those who'll drop out because of higher fees. You are right in that the issue has been swept under the carpet, but it wasn't done by New Labour; they just continued and developed what their predecessors started. The heart of the problem lies in the erosion of Britain's industrial base (we still have one but it doesn't employ many people)-the replacing of manufacturing with low wage, low-rights service sector jobs. And that is not going to change under any conceivable government. The pretence used to be that the expansion of hugher education was all about a high-tech, skilled economy. What it was really about was parking as many people as possible away from the jobs market for three years.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Not at all. I forget joined up thinking is beyond you. Your supposed memory is meaningless, life carried on as normal.
