London Student protests - Wed 8th Dec+ Thurs 9th

[revol68]

i've been sorely disappointed by quite a few posters I quite like on the football forums, DRINK? and Agricola on this issue but not gunneradt, he's a fuckwit on the football forums too.

 

[Streathamite]

no it's the low grade polys that give rubbish degrees that most HR depts just discard when they seem them on CVs. If you dont know the difference between polys and unis, unis and red brick unis then look it up

actually, absolute bollocks. The polys were set up to specialise in technological, vocational and 'niche' modern-era subjects. As such, there are a huge range of both subjects where poly degrees are perceived, correctly, as being of a pretty high value.
And I talk to HR people all day long - it's my job. So yes, I do know.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I only just remembered - didn't this all start because the protest deviated from the agreed route ?

What agreed route was that?

I've been on two events in London over the years - most notably the Rock against Racism one in 1977 - I don't recall any problems at all.

Are you sure you were there?
I was, and there was the usual amount of aggro.

And what of the police who were injured trying to prevent even more carnage. ?

You're making a bit of a value judgement there. At least one was injured because of his own equestrian ineptitude, and several seemed to get semi-stampeded by their own lines, too. Why are you assuming they were all hurt trying to "prevent carnage"?

 

[Brainaddict]

The police were physically defending a decision by the lying dogs sitting in parliament to launch an attack on the poorest in society in order to pay for a crisis caused by the rich and powerful. That decision represents an act of violence against the working class and an assault on the dreams hopes and aspirations of a generation. By acting in defence of those making that decision the police become the enemy and therefore violence against them becomes legitimate and right. This is not a game and calls for the victims of those political attacks to peacefully accept them is a call for us to accept defeat.

2. If the demonstrators had gained access to Parliament they would have physically assaulted those illegitimate MPs and attempted to disrupt the illegitimate decisions they were taking. Why not? They are making decisions about our lives and the future of our children and they have no democratic mandate to do so. In the face of their political unaccountability street violence is the only reply. Not only is it morally justified. It is the only possible response and the only thing that they take seriously.

3. For the above reasons. Yes. When baton wielding thugs, with shields and horses act to defend the undemocratic actions of my enemies inside the HOP then they become my enemy.

Hope this answered your questions

Yes. Thank you. And along similar lines: Police claim moral high ground

 

[dylans]

Obviously how to form plurals was not an entrance requirement - I pity you.

gunneradt; I didn't saying anyone want to study was a sponger

Obviously infinitive verbs, present simple, present continuous and third person singular wasn't an entry requirement for you.

If you are going to be a grammar pedant be sure your own house is in order.

(Pm me if you want a grammar lesson. The benefits of a "mickey mouse" university)

 

[gentlegreen]

Are you sure you were there?

I seem to remember walking behind a communist party trad jazz float through Brixton, and various other traditional musical entertainments. I was mostly involved with RAR for the music. Was there some aggro near the US Embassy for some reson ?

When I got home, my Tory, slightly racist parents had helpfully drawn rings around some bedsits in the Evening Post. Best thing they ever did for me.

I always managed to stay clear of rentamob. I forget who caused embarassment in the Bristol march around the same time - ANL were a bit noisy - perhaps it was the SWP ...

 

[ddraig]

our Brian (paddick) on ch4 now

 

[ViolentPanda]

i pointed out the ignorance some time ago

Yes, but I've been working my way through the thread from about page 25-onward, so you'll have to forgive my tardiness.

 

[revol68]

our Brian (paddick) on ch4 now

he's more dangerous than any old school zero tolerance pig.

 

[DotCommunist]

heh, paddick the liberal democrat.

 

[lopsidedbunny]

our Brian (paddick) on ch4 now

I thought he was dead and frooze himself on a hill in the Lake District becasue he cheated on his wife and some how that made him an icon among over Chief Boobies.

 

[ViolentPanda]

And magistrates being almost exclusively whom ?

Depends. In the shires pre-police forces it was mostly the squirearchy, the churchmen and the occasional tavern-owner. In the cities it was just about anyone who had the voting franchise and was of "sound repute", not least because demand (as now) outstripped the supply of public-minded people.

All male, of course.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

or, at least, their guns

Give their arms to plod?

Oops my mistake, plod already have them!

 

[audiotech]

From the live Guardian feed:

I just got home after attending the embers of the protest at the end of Victoria Street. While there I got chatting to a 17year-old girl. A while later a group of people who I believe to be neo-Nazis turned up and started causing trouble. They were trying to start on an old man of about 60. A policeman calmed him down. They then started picking on this girl. They all started to scream "Cunt!" at her and she called them this back. The group (about 12-15) walked up to her in a very menacing way. We backed off towards the police and then one of the group pushed the girl violently in the head, causing her to fall down on her back. I pulled her away to the police and asked for help. Two of them smirked at each other and one said: "You wanted free speech." They then continued to watch as the neo-Nazis caused trouble. This occurred at around 7pm.

If true, and they were "neo-Nazis", watch yer backs. If they weren't "neo-Nazis", watch yer backs. If you think the whole thing's bollocks watch yer backs anyway.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I haven't got the faintest idea what he was doing. But he is certainly capable of committing criminal offences just like anyone else. And any use of force on him would have to be justified (or not) in exactly the same way as anyone else.

Are you implying that because he is dsiabled he isn't capable of committing a criminal offence? Not very "right on" that, eh?

I'm not a very "right on" person, and I wasn't implying anything of the sort. As a disabled person myself, I'm well aware that we're still able to commit criminal offences.
I'm implying that you invariably find ways to excuse police actions.
I'll go further. You're often an apologist for police actions.

 

[gunneradt]

actually, absolute bollocks. The polys were set up to specialise in technological, vocational and 'niche' modern-era subjects. As such, there are a huge range of both subjects where poly degrees are perceived, correctly, as being of a pretty high value.
And I talk to HR people all day long - it's my job. So yes, I do know.

rubbish

 

[lopsidedbunny]

Yes. Thank you. And along similar lines: Police claim moral high ground

I would like to see the "lying dogs" changed to "those" and speak to the media wearing a black balaklava

 

[gunneradt]

Obviously infinitive verbs, present simple, present continuous and third person singular wasn't an entry requirement for you.

If you are going to be a grammar pedant be sure your own house is in order.

(Pm me if you want a grammar lesson. The benefits of a "mickey mouse" university)

you try it on a phone

but I sure as hell know you don't form plurals with an apostrophe

 

[Mr.Bishie]

I'm not a very "right on" person, and I wasn't implying anything of the sort. As a disabled person myself, I'm well aware that we're still able to commit criminal offences.
I'm implying that you invariably find ways to excuse police actions.
I'll go further. You're often an apologist for police actions.

'Often' a pig apologist? You're too kind mate

 

[Pickman's model]

From the live Guardian feed:



If true, and they were "neo-Nazis", watch yer backs. If they weren't "neo-Nazis", watch yer backs. If you think the whole thing's bollocks watch yer backs anyway.

gangs and counter-gangs

 

[gunneradt]

i've been sorely disappointed by quite a few posters I quite like on the football forums, DRINK? and Agricola on this issue but not gunneradt, he's a fuckwit on the football forums too.

says the litle boy with the sticky keyboard who's never attended a football match in his life.

 

[treelover]

The old hierarchy of oppression still holds true though after the événements, still not much interest in the welfare day of action....

 

[girasol]

Given the amount of witnessess to random acts of violence against the public, I wonder how many cases could be brought against the police? Probably none, the bastards get away with murder, but I can dream...

 

[Streathamite]

you try it on a phone

but I sure as hell know you don't form plurals with an apostrophe

you do when there is a 'possessive' involved; eg "the XYZ boys' school"

 

[ViolentPanda]

great ....... and the outcome of this success , and more to come ...will be water cannon and gas back on our streets .....

"Back"?

out of interest should the cost of this extra policing be taken out of the education budget ?

No, it comes from the Individual Police Service's budgets, which are all being cut, btw, so each night of protest/disorder erodes the OB's ability to police the next one, and makes front-line cuts more of a possibility.
Of course, the Home Office could always give emergency funding to the OB, but I doubt that'd be very popular with the taxpayer.

 

[revol68]

The old hierarchy of oppression still hold true though, still not much interest in the welfare day of action,

that's just cos they are too lazy....

nah your point stands but I think the EMA stuff and it shouldn't be too hard to link up and in truth the trouble with actions amongst the unemployed is how atomised we are, I certainly don't think the students and people protesting fee's and the wider cuts can be blamed for the lack of activity around welfare, or for that matter public sector job cuts.

the pink elephant in the room is the labour movement

 

[stupid kid]

i've been sorely disappointed by quite a few posters I quite like on the football forums, DRINK? and Agricola on this issue but not gunneradt, he's a fuckwit on the football forums too.

"The football I believe in is like the socialism I believe in, everyone working for each other"

 

[Pickman's model]

you try it on a phone

but I sure as hell know you don't form plurals with an apostrophe

thick as pigshit ^^

 

[ViolentPanda]

no it's the low grade polys that give rubbish degrees that most HR depts just discard when they seem them on CVs. If you dont know the difference between polys and unis, unis and red brick unis then look it up

Did you ever used to look at the uni "league tables" (before they were government-mandated, but were compiled by the likes of the THES)?
There were plenty of polys that offered courses that had greater credibility than the red-bricks and the Russell Group unis. To simply ignore polys because of some snobbishness, whether you're an HR worker or an individual, is the act of an idiot.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

No, it comes from the Individual Police Service's budgets, which are all being cut, btw, so each night of protest/disorder erodes the OB's ability to police the next one, and makes front-line cuts more of a possibility.
Of course, the Home Office could always give emergency funding to the OB, but I doubt that'd be very popular with the taxpayer.

One to keep an eye on this one, as the campaign gathers momentum. Frightened Tory/Lib Dem scum 'an all...& the precious state property that always needs protection.