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London Student protests - Wed 8th Dec+ Thurs 9th

This might sound crazy, but a leader elected on a platform of taking them out of the coalition would have to do just that ... fuck knows what claphamboy is going on about. :D

A - such a leader will not be elected, because...

B- they will not be able to control their MPs and force them to bring down the government and put themselves out of a job, and…

C – even if they tried, it would totally split and destroy the parliamentary party.

I don’t know how much simpler I can make this for you.

Perhaps you would like to explain how you think any new leader of the LibDems could force their MPs to do that?
 
A - such a leader will not be elected, because...

B- they will not be able to control their MPs and force them to bring down the government and put themselves out of a job, and…

C – even if they tried, it would totally split and destroy the parliamentary party.

I don’t know how much simpler I can make this for you.

Perhaps you would like to explain how you think any new leader of the LibDems could force their MPs to do that?

You make no sense whatsoever.

One of the possible ways to bring down this government is a leadership challenge, which is most likely to be forced by the constituency parties (only 75 out of 600+ required).

In the event that Clegg is successfully deposed, the new leader would be elected on a mandate to withdraw from the coalition.

It has nothing to do with the MPs. They do not elect the leader. The party elects the leader. If Clegg is deposed, they are out of the coalition.

Simple enough for you?
 
amazing pic.

Nice one students!
We'd stopped at to a nearby pub to warm up (it was fucking freezing today), saw that fire appear on TV and legged it back out again!

One rather unusual thing: I took along my press card at G20 and it turned out to be thoroughly useless, with cops just ignoring it completely.

Today, the cops were falling over themselves to let me past the police lines, so I ended up right behind the 'battle zone'. The cops were friendly as fuck too and tolerated me getting inbetween their lines trying to grab some pics.

It was a bit unnerving to be honest, but credit where credit is due.
 
We'd stopped at to a nearby pub to warm up (it was fucking freezing today), saw that fire appear on TV and legged it back out again!

One rather unusual thing: I took along my press card at G20 and it turned out to be thoroughly useless, with cops just ignoring it completely.

Today, the cops were falling over themselves to let me past the police lines, so I ended up right behind the 'battle zone'. The cops were friendly as fuck too and tolerated me getting inbetween their lines trying to grab some pics.

It was a bit unnerving to be honest, but credit where credit is due.


No pictures of nice smiley coppers though :D

How have you got a press card anyway?
 
A - such a leader will not be elected, because...

B- they will not be able to control their MPs and force them to bring down the government and put themselves out of a job, and…

C – even if they tried, it would totally split and destroy the parliamentary party.

I don’t know how much simpler I can make this for you.

Perhaps you would like to explain how you think any new leader of the LibDems could force their MPs to do that?

In what way does this differ from Clegg's chosen course of action?
 
Portillo just came out and said it's a bad day for the government. :)

ETA: James Purnell is taking Diane's place on the sofa. He's already to the right of Portillo and an absolute cunt.
 

The Guardian said:
4.42pm: We have an answer for the question posed at 4.02pm. The man pictured being pulled from his wheelchair is Jody McIntyre who, coincidentally, was interviewed in the Observer last month.

I spoke to his brother, Finlay, who says Jody was actually pulled from the chair twice. The first time was near Parliament Square when police insisted he move from close to the front of their lines. Three officers, he said, picked Jody up and dragged him away.
The second was nearer the river, when officers insisted he and Finlay were in danger near police horses. This time, Finlays says, his brother was pulled bodily on the ground across the street.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/blog/2010/dec/09/student-protests-live-coverage
 
I tried to leave Parliament Square at 4.30pm. Finally escaped mass detention at 10.30pm. First held in the square, then on Westminster Bridge. There was a point in the square when everyone was tired, but as we walked out onto the bridge (thinking we were about to get out) there was a chant of 'we'll be back, we'll be back....'. As the hours dragged on the chants and songs on the bridge became more creative, ranging from 'We are people, what are you?' and 'Human rights, human rights' aimed at the police, to 'What do we want? Tea. When do we want it? Now.' (and a bizarre but amusing rendition of californication). It slowly dawned on everyone as we were held against our will out in the cold, without food, water, toilets or hope of getting out any time soon, that the headlines were going to be dominated not by our collective punishment but by Charles and Camilla. I didn't mind too much. I reckon this is the way people learn who will stand with them and who will treat them like shit :)
 
I tried to leave Parliament Square at 4.30pm. Finally escaped mass detention at 10.30pm. First held in the square, then on Westminster Bridge. There was a point in the square when everyone was tired, but as we walked out onto the bridge (thinking we were about to get out) there was a chant of 'we'll be back, we'll be back....'. As the hours dragged on the chants and songs on the bridge became more creative, ranging from 'We are people, what are you?' and 'Human rights, human rights' aimed at the police, to 'What do we want? Tea. When do we want it? Now.' (and a bizarre but amusing rendition of californication). It slowly dawned on everyone as we were held against our will out in the cold, without food, water, toilets or hope of getting out any time soon, that the headlines were going to be dominated not by our collective punishment but by Charles and Camilla. I didn't mind too much. I reckon this is the way people learn who will stand with them and who will treat them like shit :)

So what changed your mind? :D

Occupations, get out. support them - just get to the door and ask what they need, make the effort.
 
seconded - went to a local occupation last night (the first night of it - admittedly sanctioned by the uni but heigh-ho!) Turned up with two bags of food as solidarity form the Wobblies print union and it went down a treat. Most present were eager for new ideas and to debate etc. I was warmly welcomed (unfortunetly I was the only non-student/academic staff) and really quizzed about ideas on how to organise, direct action etc. For nearly all this was their first ever kind of political involvment and they were imaginative and excited. The old 'violence' argument popped in and was pretty much dismissed as irrelevant.

Made a bunch of contacts and reckon we can really build something
 
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