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London Anarchist Bookfair 2023/24

danny la rouge said:
We don’t know they do think that. Maybe that’s the next clarification we could seek.

I always think it’s best not to assume people’s attitudes without asking them.
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Probably true and I was in the process of adding an edit to my post when I saw yours. Was about to say whilst the discussion was ACG hostile, I probably shouldn't read off that Bristol AFed were also that. However I did see the accusation of doxxing (presumably against the ACG?) so I didn't.

Like you say though, probably better to ask and see if anything positive can emerge from this.
 
TopCat said:
I’m starting to reminisce over past bookfair that were less troublesome. What year was it when Sam Ambreen turned up with their crew and jumped up and down shouting KILL ALL MEN!
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Was she one of the ones who attacked trade unionists and anti-fascists at Clapton or just similarly minded?
 
Wilf said:
Probably true and I was in the process of adding an edit to my post when I saw yours. Was about to say whilst the discussion was ACG hostile, I probably shouldn't read off that Bristol AFed were also that. However I did see the accusation of doxxing (presumably against the ACG?) so I didn't.

Like you say though, probably better to ask and see if anything positive can emerge from this.
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I shared the page about doxxing, cuz someone asked about the doxxing, seems legit, seems like it could be solved with an admission and an apology, but don't want to derail this thread with another tangent.

To be clear the recent bookfair collective statement and the removal of ACG are based on information that I have literally no idea about. As in I to have read that the bookfair collective statement that they are acting on some kind of new information, but I don't know who that is from, what form it is, or what it contains. So I'll reserve judgement until I know more. I'd have hoped for the information to have been released at the time of the statement, but again, I don't know the reason they haven't done that.

There is one AFed member on the bookfair collective AFAIK but no one else in AFed has any special access to London bookfair collectives internal workings. We gotta wait like the rest of you! Also last I heard that AFed member was trying to stay out of ACG discourse for the benefit of everyone, so sincerely doubt they are behind the last minute change.
 
I dunno, I don't think people should get away with saying shit like that without being called out on it or proving it. But I am old fashioned.

Loads of that lot are 6 week anarchists; jump in to the scene, faff about creating drama doing not much of any use, then piss off again to work in an NGO or similar when they get bored leaving a few circle As on their Instagram and fuck all else.
 
A Bristle Aphid said:
I shared the page about doxxing, cuz someone asked about the doxxing, seems legit, seems like it could be solved with an admission and an apology, but don't want to derail this thread with another tangent.

To be clear the recent bookfair collective statement and the removal of ACG are based on information that I have literally no idea about. As in I to have read that the bookfair collective statement that they are acting on some kind of new information, but I don't know who that is from, what form it is, or what it contains. So I'll reserve judgement until I know more. I'd have hoped for the information to have been released at the time of the statement, but again, I don't know the reason they haven't done that.

There is one AFed member on the bookfair collective AFAIK but no one else in AFed has any special access to London bookfair collectives internal workings. We gotta wait like the rest of you! Also last I heard that AFed member was trying to stay out of ACG discourse for the benefit of everyone, so sincerely doubt they are behind the last minute change.
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Again, thanks for coming on here and thanks for replying. I'm making making my comments knowing much less than you about these manoeuvres and positions and, fwiw, I'm not in the ACG (and don't agree with what I gather is their position on Ukraine). Even more so, we are only seeing a few exchanges on twitter. Having said all that, it appears there's a background hostility to the ACG which spills over into a neutral response to LiEnby, whereas the only proper response should be 'fuck off with that shite'.

Ultimately though, it seems the movement needs to find a way through all this.
 
LDC said:
So this Li @LiEnbyy on Twitter thinks the ACG advocate for genocide?
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in th thread they admit to just having read it elsewhere and not actually knowing what it was about, but rather being like 'hey someone said they denied genocide? that sounds serious why is no one talking about it?' sort of thing.... only turns out whoever said it had deleted the post, so sadly I can't point to the place in twitter that the rumour was started. Can only say it was repeated once by one person on twitter, than i guessed at where it came from, then there was the admission it was effectively baseless form @liEnbby, and then there was some four way arguement about ukraine that i lost track of.
 
A Bristle Aphid said:
in th thread they admit to just having read it elsewhere and not actually knowing what it was about, but rather being like 'hey someone said they denied genocide? that sounds serious why is no one talking about it?' sort of thing.... only turns out whoever said it had deleted the post, so sadly I can't point to the place in twitter that the rumour was started. Can only say it was repeated once by one person on twitter, than i guessed at where it came from, then there was the admission it was effectively baseless form @liEnbby, and then there was some four way arguement about ukraine that i lost track of.
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I am not pro baselessly repeating stuff just because it was posted on the internet anonomously fwiw!
 
A Bristle Aphid said:
in th thread they admit to just having read it elsewhere and not actually knowing what it was about, but rather being like 'hey someone said they denied genocide? that sounds serious why is no one talking about it?' sort of thing.... only turns out whoever said it had deleted the post, so sadly I can't point to the place in twitter that the rumour was started. Can only say it was repeated once by one person on twitter, than i guessed at where it came from, then there was the admission it was effectively baseless form @liEnbby, and then there was some four way arguement about ukraine that i lost track of.
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Again, thanks for signing up here - it’s appreciated.

But… it does look like you’ve engaged with a load of bollocks for no reason and that has caused you some bother?
 
I mean, one thing I’d put into the ring is that TwitterX is a cesspit, and my mental health is much, much better since I ditched it.

I joked with a comrade recently that I missed the days of letraset and typewriters, and there’s some truth in that. I think polarisation and rapid spreading of ill-founded gossip is far easier now, as well as all the rabbit holes of conspiracy and far right bollocks.

It’s much easier to think about he consequences if you’re in a room with someone.
 
Well, this was an unexpected turn of events. Fwiw, as the person who originally posted the relevant Musksite screenshots, I wasn't particularly trying to drop Bristol in it, just to illustrate the weirdness of the original accuser making the claim in extremely vague terms and then immediately switching to "well, I can't remember but I think someone said that anyway" as soon as there was an attempt to clarify.

Meanwhile, in another part of the forest, I see that the crowd who, earlier this week, were getting all worked up about the London bookfair's supposed pro-ACG attitudes are now getting similarly worked up about the Manchester bookfair letting the ACN in, even though the ACN are a different group. So it goes.
 
I was saying to a comrade today I'm seriously considering advocating for Freedom to ditch it, even though we've got a nearly 20k follower count. It's always been a bit shite for article follow-through and ethically it's become less and less justifiable to be contributing to a site run by a fascist sympathiser which actively buries everyone except the paid-for bluetick wankers. I'm no purist (we're still on Facebook) but there's definitely a point to ask what the difference is behind us being on TwiX but not Truth Social.
 
hitmouse said:
Well, this was an unexpected turn of events. Fwiw, as the person who originally posted the relevant Musksite screenshots, I wasn't particularly trying to drop Bristol in it, just to illustrate the weirdness of the original accuser making the claim in extremely vague terms and then immediately switching to "well, I can't remember but I think someone said that anyway" as soon as there was an attempt to clarify.

Meanwhile, in another part of the forest, I see that the crowd who, earlier this week, were getting all worked up about the London bookfair's supposed pro-ACG attitudes are now getting similarly worked up about the Manchester bookfair letting the ACN in, even though the ACN are a different group. So it goes.
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Whoa, what's this? I was just going to get me tea. :mad:
 
hitmouse said:
Meanwhile, in another part of the forest, I see that the crowd who, earlier this week, were getting all worked up about the London bookfair's supposed pro-ACG attitudes are now getting similarly worked up about the Manchester bookfair letting the ACN in, even though the ACN are a different group. So it goes.
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Yes, I don’t know what our crimes against humanity are. It seems to be a moveable feast.

Maybe having “anarchist communist” in our name is triggering to some people.
 
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