Liz Truss’s time is up

[gosub]

I guess I'm sort of aware of that in principle, but it seems like extrapolating it ought to overestimate rather than underestimate the benefit.

So reasonably safe to say that increasing the >£150k band percentage (even by a very large amount) is never going to compensate for the effects of lowering the 20% rate even a little.

Which means be more sensible to keep 45% at 45

Brown couldn't gladhand to save his life, or indeed his career. And holy fuck I just remembered his Forced Smile phase.
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Brass Monkey in Edinburgh old town has a photo of him with Donald Dewer from back in the day, actually had a reasonable smile b4 the media training

 

[Raheem]

Brown is actually quite charismatic if you can find old footage of him in the 70s.

 

[Knotted]

I never get the feeling she's trying to pull the wool over my eyes even when she is trying very hard to pull the wool over my eyes. I like that. I like that she's clearly enjoying herself in photo ops. There's no accounting for taste I suppose. Also she's probably a bit of a laugh if you got to know her. I'd have a drink with her or Brown or Major. I'd avoid the others irl. Even politics aside, I'd kill Blair in the face with a crucifix out of a sense of public duty, the unseelie monster.

 

[Knotted]

We should rank them by their de like the legendary kings: Zhou Period Philosophy and Thought (www.chinaknowledge.de)

That's an entirely different question. Thatcher wins of course, Truss is definitely last.

 

[contadino]

I've met Gordon Brown several times and while he was quite intense, he was a polite and engaging person. His reputation was very much undeserved.

 

[Orang Utan]

but teachter really is a moomin with a top hat

If this is one of those tiresome unfunny in jokes, this is not the thread for it

 

[emanymton]

If this is one of those tiresome unfunny in jokes, this is not the thread for it

Quite right, we have a dedicated thread for that.

https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/new-jokes-please.226799/

 

[Serene]

I think she gets up every morning at 4 am and rushes downstairs onto media to see if growth has happened.

 

[cupid_stunt]

This article was highlighted during the Sky Press Review, it's by the Sun's political editor, so I copied the link from google and put it in the archive site, so we can all read it without going to the Sun's site.

I hate to say it, because of the source, but it makes interesting reading.

CABINET ministers were huddled around phones in a plush hotel suite in the early hours of Monday morning glued to The Sun’s website.
Our bombshell revelation that Liz Truss had jettisoned her controversial dream of axing the 45p rate of tax detonated the Conservative Party Conference in Birmingham.

But our story, revealed at 12.20am, came as a shock to some of the most senior members of the government.
Four Cabinet ministers were enjoying a late-night drink when our story broke — leaving them speechless.
No one from No 10 had given them any warning.

Sir Graham Brady, the chairman of the powerful 1922 Committee of Tory backbenchers, had been to see a worried Ms Truss at 7pm to warn her she did not have the numbers to ram her tax cut plans through Parliament — despite a majority of 71.
And her screeching about-turn would come as a shock to the Chancellor, who had been about to tuck into a beef curry at an upmarket restaurant across town.
He left his dinner before his main course turned up, rushing back for crisis talks with Truss, who told him: “It’s time to rip off the plaster.”

After days of what he later called “massive distraction” it was time to ditch the hated policy — and with it a huge amount of political capital.
Immediately agreeing, the Chancellor said a climbdown would ease the pressure cooker environment of the conference, which had been blown off course by the row.
Once on board, Mr Kwarteng was told he would have to be the face of the surrender the next day.

Safe link - TAXING TIMES Inside Tory conference chaos after ministers were NOT told about Liz Truss’ tax U-turn and found out on Sun’s website.

 

[_Russ_]

Its rare to get a Prime minister without at least a mild personality disorder, but this time I think we've got a Bona Fide nutter and I think most of the tory party can actually see that.
Not that they care and it will not push them to get rid of her until the polls instruct them to

 

[Karl Masks]

She's running the country like a schoolkid. I don't mean that she is mentally under developed or something, but simply that she has no understanding and is utterly and completely out of her depth

 

[Petcha]

We truly are through the looking glass when these two seem to be sensible, decent human beings

Michael Gove, the former education secretary, has said free school meals could be extended to all families on universal credit for just £500m.

I think it needs to be stressed that interventions by the state at critical moments in order to improve the welfare of all its citizens are not socialists. Conservative care about the community and care about public health interventions, he told an Onward panel on school food and poverty.
It seems to me this is a more than worthwhile intervention considering some of the other police choices in front of us.

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Richard Partington
Iain Duncan Smith has said it would be “wrong” for the government not to increase benefits in line with inflation.

In a warning to Liz Truss’ government as she considers increasing the value of universal credit benefits from April by less than the rate of inflation for September this year, he said putting more money in lower-income households’ pockets would help grow the economy.

“If you do want growth the group that is most likely to spend the money that you give to them is the group we’re talking about [lower-income households]”

 

[moochedit]

Its rare to get a Prime minister without at least a mild personality disorder, but this time I think we've got a Bona Fide nutter and I think most of the tory party can actually see that.
Not that they care and it will not push them to get rid of her until the polls instruct them to

Labour are over 50% though. How much more instruction do they need?

 

[cupid_stunt]

It's hard to judge, but I think this is probably the worst interview so far, Beth Rigby goes in with simple, but hard hitting questions, and just gets the same robotic scripted replies over and over again, due to a software issue with L2T2, proper artificial intelligence failure.



"I think voters are tried of the lack of honest answers."

 

[ruffneck23]

just woe... (I meant wow but woe works just as well)

 

[Petcha]

It's hard to judge, but I think this is probably the worst interview so far, Beth Rigby goes in with simple, but hard hitting questions, and just gets the same robotic scripted replies over and over again, due to a software issue with L2T2, proper artificial intelligence failure.



"I think voters are tried of the lack of honest answers."

Erm. Can we talk about her switch from expensive heels to grubby trainers..? Is this an attempt to make her seem a bit closer to the people she's fucking over..?

 

[Tanya1982]

I mean BJ had loads of charisma but also everything he said was ballshit

Exactly. Charisma is a completely different to likability - you can have both, but as qualities they can equally be divorced from one another.

 

[Petcha]

She is abhorrent. Thats all.

 

[cupid_stunt]

just woe... (I meant wow but woe works just as well)

It so fits in with this tweet -

"We're f***ed". Absolutely extraordinary conversation between Tory MP and SkyNews correspondent Mhari Aurora:

 

[Petcha]

Fuck I miss Boris

 

[ruffneck23]

It so fits in with this tweet -

"We're f***ed". Absolutely extraordinary conversation between Tory MP and SkyNews correspondent Mhari Aurora:

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I posted that somewhere else in here , it's somewhat amazeballs. Great minds and all that

 

[Tanya1982]

Brown couldn't gladhand to save his life, or indeed his career. And holy fuck I just remembered his Forced Smile phase.
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Fwiw:
1) Blair
2) Thatcher
3) Bojo
4) Major
5) Cameron
6) Brown
7) May

Truss it's a bit early to tell maybe, at least as a full-on party leader. She's currently a dreadful interviewee and sketchy as a speaker but will be getting plenty of practice for the next wee while. Blair by far the most plausible speaker, Thatcher had that dread figure of authority thing going on.

Brown was badly advised. On his own terms, he's a serious guy, and that's fine. You are a person who is quite serious so just be serious, and smile when you want to.

His great mistake was apologizing to the old bigot Duffy. That added to the lack of authenticity that the forced smiling had already created. He was right the first time.

It seems psycho Truss (whose 'perfect charm' as referenced on the page behind I would strongly dispute) is now floating actual benefit cuts. She is a fucking monster.

 

[brogdale]

Proper blue-on-blue bombing here; members of the executive blaming the lobby fodder and accusing them of a coup.
Strong stuff.

 

[ruffneck23]

Fuck I miss Boris

NO! that's what 'they' want you to think, I think that is the plan ( unless she is a sleeper agent )

 

[cupid_stunt]

I posted that somewhere else in here , it's somewhat amazeballs. Great minds and all that

TBF, I nicked it from your post , because it so fitted with that interview above.

 

[ruffneck23]

TBF, I nicked it from your post , because it so fitted with that interview above.

it's cool, spreading the news to all is all one could ask for.

 

[Petcha]

NO! thanks what 'they' want you to think, I think that is the plan ( unless she is a sleeper agent )

At least he was smart/lazy enough to leave most of the big decisions to people who actually had some idea of what they were doing. Leaving locking down the country a couple of months earlier aside of course. Truss seems to think she can actually be a PM. Boris knew he was clueless and just got pissed and shagged his brains out instead. That's actually preferable.

I give up. This country is so screwed. What's the deal - how do we get a general election earlier than the two years?

 

[Pickman's model]

At least he was smart/lazy enough to leave most of the big decisions to people who actually had some idea of what they were doing. Leaving locking down the country a couple of months earlier aside of course. Truss seems to think she can actually be a PM. Boris knew he was clueless and just got pissed and shagged his brains out instead. That's actually preferable.

I give up. This country is so screwed. What's the deal - how do we get a general election earlier than the two years?

perhaps it's like football, where if a certain number of players are sent off the match is abandoned. so if we can defenestrate something like 170 mps maybe they'll need to hold a general election

 

[Artaxerxes]

Fuck I miss Boris

I’ve hit the point where I’m just embracing the anarchy and enjoying the ride.

I may lose the flat I put a deposit down on but at this rate no one’s going to have a house

 

[Petcha]

I find it quite astonishing that she's got a mortgage tbh. Her body language went off the charts there.