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Lib Dem Polls - How Low Can They Go?

nick clegg is not just a tory, he is a retard too. he went to visit a local hall which is planned to be closed by the local tory government. what a wally.

'Bad parenting is bigger threat than poverty' - Social mobility is key government priority, says Clegg

Times, The (London, England) - Thursday, August 19, 2010
Author: Sam Coates

Bad parenting can harm a child's potential more than poverty, Nick Clegg said yesterday as he suggested that there were better ways than benefits to help children from poor backgrounds.

Mr Clegg risked a row with the Conservative right after he claimed that making Britain more socially mobile was as big a priority for the Government as deficit reduction. "Our determination to fix the deficit is matched by our determination to create a more socially mobile society," he said. Tory critics claimed that such moves would be at the expense of the middle class.

Speaking to CentreForum, the liberal think-tank, the Deputy Prime Minister said that huge sums spent by Labour on welfare for low-income households had no "discernible impact" on the life chances of their children. He added that parenting skills could be a greater factor than poverty in determining life chances.

Mr Clegg admitted that his background - Westminster School and Cambridge - had helped him to achieve his position today.

He cited a study that suggested the amount of interest shown by a parent in their child's education was four times more important than socio-economic background in explaining education results at 16. But he said that possible solutions - which could include more flexible parental leave or parenting classes at school - had dangers. "This is not an area where the State can simply pull a lever or two and put things right. I know, like any mother or father, how difficult it can be to find the time and the energy to help, for example, with your children's homework at the end of a busy day. But the evidence is unambiguous: if we give them that kind of attention and support when they are young, they will feel the benefits for the rest of their lives."

He also warned that the middle-class monopoly on universities meant that the huge increase in numbers of students had little effect on social mobility. It comes amid reports that the admissions system has been skewed in favour of foreign students who generate more money for universities. "This is for two important reasons. One: a disproportionate number of university students come from the middle and upper classes. Two: higher education remains the primary entry route to high-quality jobs."

Mr Clegg was embarrassed before his speech on social mobility yesterday when he visited a community hall that, unknown to him, is to be closed by a council under Tory control.

The Shepherds Bush Village Hall, which is let to several organisations providing support for vulnerable families, will be sold off by Hammersmith & Fulham Council. It said that the sale was part of the "tough decisions it faces as Government cuts town hall budgets". Local Lib Dems criticised the plans.

On the Government's 100th day in office, Simon Hughes, the Liberal Democrats' deputy leader, said that the coalition was temporary and that the party might co-operate with Labour after the next election.

But Ed Miliband, one of the Labour leadership candidates, said that he would never work in a coalition with the Lib Dems as long as Mr Clegg was leader. Mr Miliband said: "Given what he is supporting, I think that it is pretty hard to go into coalition with him."
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The Guardian the other day said:
Few people seem to query the need for drastic spending cuts.
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I briefly skimmed the article containing that outrageously questionable line the other day but couldn't for the life of me find any actual poll figure to justify it ....

Niot just the Guardian at fault either for suggesting that 'everyone accepts the need for cuts' -- the BBC are pretty good at peddling that one too frinstance, in most of their TV 'news' coverage.

In (slight) defence of the Guardian, at lest they sometimes carry op-ed articles by sounder types, strongly opposing the ConDems and cuts. Not often enough though.
 
oh well, it turns out sir phillip green was appointed without clegg's knowledge, hence:

from The Times:
Nick Clegg has carried out a shake-up of his closest advisers as it emerged that he did not know in advance about the appointment of Sir Philip Green.
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the details of the 'shake-up':

The changes to Mr Clegg 's office, which were implemented in the past week before the furore about Sir Philip, are designed to address those concerns. The principal change is to create a chief of staff for Mr Clegg , a post that will be filled by Jonny Oates, the former Lib Dem communications director and Bell Pottinger lobbyist. He will oversee twice-daily meetings with Mr Clegg 's inner circle. Mr Oates will move to Mr Clegg 's Cabinet Office suite from Downing Street, where he worked alongside Andy Coulson, the Government's director of communications. Mr Oates will be replaced by Lena Pietsch, Mr Clegg 's press secretary, who will become deputy director of communications at Downing Street with responsibility for Lib Dems across the Government. James McGrory will move from Downing Street to the Cabinet Office to replace Ms Pietsch as Mr Clegg 's political spokesman. Mr Colbourne, a former adviser to Mark Oaten when he was home affairs spokesman, will join the Downing Street team to replace Mr McGrory.
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he is also not getting any love on his tour:

Leader faces show of anger from region fearing cuts
Times, The (London, England) - Friday, August 20, 2010

The Deputy Prime Minister stood accused yesterday of betraying voters in the North East by supporting spending cuts that were part of a Tory "ideological crusade" to attack the weakest members of society.

Nick Clegg faced the charge during a heated public discussion in Newcastle upon Tyne, where there are fears that the North East will bear the brunt of public-sector cutbacks. But he accused critics of "irresponsible and misleading" scaremongering, dismissed claims that the Government was poised to worsen the North-South divide and pledged no return to the "slash and burn" cuts of the early 1980s.

During the election, David Cameron pointed to the North East as a region where excessive dependence on state spending had created an imbalanced economy. When he stood in for Mr Cameron at Prime Minister's Questions last month, Mr Clegg said that the North East had "a heavy dependence - some would say an over-reliance - on public sector jobs".

Yesterday the Liberal Democrat leader sought to soften the "tough medicine" pill by seeking to offer reassurance that cuts would not be as savage as some had been predicting. He understood "the huge anxiety about what the cuts are going to mean for public sector employees and their families", he told a woman who said she was about to lose her NHS job.

Mr Clegg suggested that by focusing on sustainable job creation in the private sector, the region and the UK would emerge stronger. He highlighted his launch yesterday of Green Deal, a project aiming to create 10,000 jobs by providing support to low-carbon businesses in Tyneside and Wearside.

When Mr Clegg later spent an hour answering public questions at a Newcastle college, he was confronted by Craig Toft, 33, a business adviser who accused the Deputy Prime Minister of being "part of a coalition that's seemingly on an ideological crusade to attack the weakest in society and make them pay for the decisions and greed of those at the top".
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Dead Men on furlough - a phrase and description that someone like Clegg doesn't really deserve. It was used by the communists in Germany in the early 20s to describe their almost definite death, but their desire to do what they thought need to be done regardless of outcome. Clegg doesn't deserve to be named with these heroes - but he is as dead a man as any political figure has ever been. May you rot, may you die.
 
butchersapron said:
Dead Men on furlough - a phrase and description that someone like Clegg doesn't really deserve. It was used by the communists in Germany in the early 20s to describe their almost definite death, but their desire to do what they thought need to be done regardless of outcome. Clegg doesn't deserve to be named with these heroes - but he is as dead a man as any political figure has ever been. May you rot, may you die.
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Better he rots, but lives.
 
To me as someone from the greater london area ,tax,child benefit ,social security admin should be moved to areas of high unemployment.That is why the north east and scotland have a lot of public sector jobs.It makes sense
 
Britain needs an underground Maoist movement imvho:

凡是对抗第二次社会主义革命、对抗无产阶级专政的反革命右派分子，一律监督改造，对于态度恶劣的反革 命分 子坚决实行镇压！

Every counter-revolutionary right-wing element who has risen up against the second socialist revolution and who opposed the proletarian dictatorship will be forcefully re-educated under supervision. Those counter-revolutionary elements who have an especially malign and reactionary attitude will be suppressed without mercy!
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http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=6455

Seems reasonable enough.
 
凡是携款外逃的贪官，无论他逃到那里都要坚决追捕和通缉归案！对于拒不归案的贪官，无论他躲藏在哪里 ，都 要不惜一切代价就地处决。

All corrupt officials who have escaped overseas with large amounts of money, will be chased down and arrested no matter where in the world he/she has escaped to! Those who refuse to repent for their political crimes, no matter where they are located in the world, will be executed at any cost.
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Watch your back Philip Green!
 
holding at 12%

from the Sunday Times:

'Liability' Clegg to be sidelined on poll reform
Sunday, August 22, 2010

NICK CLEGG is to be sidelined from his party's campaign to change the voting system amid fears that it will end in embarrassment.

Senior Liberal Democrats have demanded that he distance himself from the referendum in May next year, warning that he could jeopardise the result and damage his standing.

There is mounting concern within the party that it will lose the flagship poll on whether to introduce the alternative vote system. Clegg's colleagues fear that if he is too closely associated with a failed "Yes" campaign to change the voting system, his authority as party leader and deputy prime minister will be fatally undermined.

Privately they also believe that if he fronts the campaign it could cost millions of votes, as the poll becomes a referendum on his own performance and the Lib Dems' decision to join the coalition government.

Yesterday Clegg was heckled at a question and answer event in Bristol, where one participant likened his alliance with David Cameron to the ill-fated celebrity marriage of Cheryl and Ashley Cole. "Get out while you can, before it's too late," he was told. Last night his spokesman admitted Clegg would not play a key role in the referendum campaign, saying: "He will keep as low a profile as possible."

The flagship bill paving the way for the referendum comes before the House of Commons in two weeks, when MPs return from their summer break. Securing the poll on changing the voting system, which will cost £80m-£100m to stage, was a priority for the Lib Dems during coalition negotiations.

However, Clegg now appears to be playing down the importance of victory in the poll, which will take place at the same time as local elections on May 5. He claimed in an interview yesterday that winning was "not the be-all and end-all".

It comes as the no campaign, supported by the Conservatives, gathers pace, with the appointment of Matthew Elliott, founder of the TaxPayers' Alliance think tank, as its director.

A senior Lib Dem figure said: "There is a great deal of nervousness in the party that the referendum will turn into a vote on Nick, or on the Lib Dems in the coalition. If he's prominent, the risk is he'll be a major distraction."

A YouGov poll for The Sunday Times today puts the Lib Dems on just 12%, compared with 41% for the Conservatives and 38% for Labour.
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From the same lot who used to be part of the now defunct Maoist Internationalist Movement. The name of the blog is a good one but it's all very revengist though. Which is funny, considering it's written by white middle class people in the States. They aren't First World parasites, but the "white trash" working class are.

They're quite self-regarding.

Maoism-Third Worldism is the fourth and highest stage of proletarian science
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:D
 
First 0% approval for coalition - and 12% for lib-dem rats.

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Just saw this

killer b said:
why do you bother defending them at all now william? fuck their fig leaves, frankly.
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Not sure why I did tbh :oops: , especially in the context of that ludicrously bad poll story last week, which pissed me off no less than it would any other coalition hater here.
 
yeah, but clegg'll be happy with his followers' poll and will be brandishing it in all interviews.

Lib Dem members give poll boost to Clegg
Financial Times (London, England) - Wednesday, September 1, 2010
Author: Stacey, Kiran

Nick Clegg and his fellow senior Liberal Democrats have been given a timely boost ahead of a potentially fractious party conference by the results of a survey showing that support for Mr Clegg among party members remains high.

But the survey of almost 600 members shows that net support for the coalition has begun to slip, falling to 45 per cent in August from 57 per cent in July.

While party members may be growing unhappy with what the coalition is doing, they remain overwhelmingly in favour of its existence, with 84 per cent saying they supported the decision to form it.

Mark Pack, co-editor of the Liberal Democrat Voice website, said he thought the party leadership was "pleasantly relieved" at the findings. He added: "It will make [Mr Clegg 's] speech to conference even more important than usual."

Mr Clegg's net approval ratings have fallen slightly but remain high at 62 per cent. Vince Cable, the business secretary, is the only other Lib Dem politician to enjoy such a high rating.

However, more than one in six of those surveyed felt that Mr Clegg was ineffective as leader.

Party activists felt that the party was on the right track, with the net approval rating unchanged since July at 52 per cent. But there were signs of continuing reservations about the deal with the Tories.

Just over half thought the government was implementing a significant part of the Lib Dem manifesto but they worried that the leadership was not being forthright enough in trumpeting its successes. Four out of five of those polled believed that the biggest immediate danger for the party was failing to communicate how Lib Dem policies were making a difference in the government.

Stephen Tall, co-editor of Liberal Democrat Voice, called it a "warning sign" for the party leadership. He said: "The message from Lib Dem members seems clear. They support the coalition, but want to see Nick Clegg and his fellow ministers trumpeting those achievements which are the result of the Lib Dems being in government."

He called on the party to be more willing to criticise its Tory partners, saying the leadership needed to be "more upfront about where we continue to disagree with the Conservatives".

The results will be examined more closely than ever by party leaders before this month's Liverpool conference - the first since the coalition was formed.

Since then the Lib Dem position in national opinion polls has slumped , falling as low as 11 per cent, which the party last reached when Sir Menzies Campbell was ousted as leader.
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The Guardian said:
Labour is reaping the benefit from the Liberal Democrats' decision to enter into coalition, according to a poll published today which shows Nick Clegg's party has lost the support of almost four in 10 of people who backed it in May.

Research by ComRes for the Independent shows that just 62% of those who supported the Lib Dems on 6 May said they would do so again if a general election were held today.
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lol

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/sep/07/lib-dem-voters-desert-party
 
Surprised it's still that high. I mean, I know there are ultra-rightwing extremists like moonpig23 out there but I wouldn't have thought they'd've (that should be a word) constituted 12% of the population. We live in strange times.
 
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