Lib Dem Polls - How Low Can They Go?

[butchersapron]

You what?

 

[Proper Tidy]

This, I think:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10977806

Former Labour cabinet minister Alan Milburn has accepted a role as social mobility tsar to the coalition government, it has been confirmed...

... Mr Milburn joins other senior Labour figures who have agreed to offer their independent advice to the government.

Former welfare minister Frank Field is devising an anti-poverty strategy and former work and pensions secretary John Hutton is reviewing public sector pension provision.

Labour MP Graham Allen is also doing work for the coalition on early intervention for children from disadvantaged backgrounds.

 

[butchersapron]

Well all that's changed then is Milburn possibly accepting a role. Worth noting neither he nor Hutton are MPs. The two that are haven't taken any Tory or lib-dem whip either. Rats they are but they were rats before.

 

[smokedout]

Sunday Mirror were reporting that Blunketts in talks as well

 

[butchersapron]

Blunkett is leading Clegg up the garden path to damage him.

 

[DotCommunist]

I'll get him, and his little dog too.

 

[shagnasty]

This poll from the daily mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302950/After-100-days-No-10-honeymoon-Coalition.html

the mail fails to have an headline figure for party support but tries to extract bits to bum up the tories

but from what i read c29 lab 28 ld12

 

[butchersapron]

ICM/Guardian have tory and labour both on 37% tonight -first time for 3 years and only 3 month into the new govt.

 

[little_legs]

it's the freedom loving ass announcements all week for clegg:

Clegg takes charge as tensions surface in the coalition
Times, The (London, England) - Monday, August 16, 2010
Author: Suzy Jagger

Nick Clegg took charge of the country yesterday as the Government came under pressure to agree the most severe public spending cuts since the war. Mr Clegg flew back from his holiday in Spain so that the Prime Minister could start his two-week break in Cornwall.

But at the top of the Deputy Prime Minister's agenda, as he "minds the shop", is an edict from the Cabinet Secretary to agree the terms of the Comprehensive Spending Review before the party conference season starts next month.

Tensions between, and within, the coalition parties were also on show. While Mr Clegg said that the coalition would "govern for the long term and stick to our plan", Simon Hughes, the Liberal Democrats' deputy leader, ruled out any pact with the Conservatives at the next general election. As the Government prepared to mark 100 days in office, Mr Hughes rejected suggestions that they could agree not to stand against each other in seats that were winnable for one or other of the parties. He insisted that the coalition agreement was a five-year deal to "do business with the Tory Party" after which the normal battle for political advantage would resume.

Mr Clegg will spend much of the next two weeks trying to resolve outstanding spending rows. They include an argument between the Treasury and the Ministry of Defence over who pays for Trident, the nuclear deterrent.

Support for the Liberal Democrats has fallen since the formation of the Government in May, with a number of party supporters believing that Mr Clegg has sold out to the Conservatives.

On Wednesday, Mr Clegg will make a speech on opportunity and social mobility; on Thursday he will travel to Newcastle; on Friday he returns to his constituency in Sheffield; and on Saturday he will head to Bristol for a public meeting.

While he is keen to repair relations within his own party before its conference next month, Sir Gus O'Donnell, the Cabinet Secretary, is understood to be worried that the Tories and Liberal Democrats will use their conferences to try and bounce each other into controversial, and possibly costly, policies. Sir Gus wants the broad terms of the Comprehensive Spending Review - which will be delivered by the Chancellor on October 20 - to be nailed down before the Liberal Democrats' conference begins on September 18.

The handover comes as it emerged that another senior Labour figure has agreed to advise ministers. Alan Milburn, the former Health Secretary, was invited by Mr Clegg to consider ways of increasing social mobility. Mr Milburn, who will be unpaid, will look at how the professions, business and government are helping with the issue.

The appointment created fury among Labour figures who have seen John Hutton, the former Defence Secretary, and Frank Field, the former Welfare Minister, poached by the Government in recent months.

Lord Prescott, the former Deputy Prime Minister, said: "So after Field and Hutton, Milburn becomes the third collaborator. They collaborated to get Brown out. Now they are collaborating to keep Cameron in."

 

[butchersapron]

and on Saturday he will head to Bristol for a public meeting.

I am so going to that.

 

[killer b]

will you be throwing rotten fruit, or pithy commentary?

 

[butchersapron]

Not decided yet. Open to suggestions.

 

[Refused as fuck]

Neither. Roll with the punches.

 

[little_legs]

he might not get a good reception in sheffiled either, unless his party people ensure he is surrounded by his admirers.

it's not easy to get into the meetings with this guy. the other day he came to our place, they vetted everyone like crazy, i though they'd start finger printing people. and it's bullshit when they say that clegg & cameron are modest with their cars and the security detail, it was a cortege of at least 6 massive black cars, looked like a mob.

 

[Santino]

Not decided yet. Open to suggestions.

Something basic to the coalition, e.g. massive spending cuts. Float some of those figures about the relative size of the debt and the extra wealth generated last year by the richest 10% of the population.

 

[Refused as fuck]

Stand on his neck.

 

[sihhi]

SKY has them on 8% - Yes 8%.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Po...News_For_Nick_Clegg_As_Lib_Dem_Support_Slumps

Lib Dems in local councils can always be attacked for betraying people.
Ask them to resign the party whip. Their local promises always conflict with coalition spending plans. Attack them and attack them hard.

 

[Santino]

Sky's polls aren't worth the cheap graphics they're displayed on.

 

[sihhi]

Sky's polls aren't worth the cheap graphics they're displayed on.

Obviously they are skewed to the right, but

http://www1.sky.com/news/coalition2.htm

does show the general trend of a massive collapse in Lib Dem support even amongst SKY viewers - anything you can rib them with is OK.

All polls so soon into the cycle are meaningless anyway.

 

[Santino]

Sky 'polls' are particularly meaningless in that they are not based on any actual polling methodology. It's not a poll of voters balanced to reflect anything, it's a 'Sky panel'.

 

[shagnasty]

The guardians mealy mouthed headline was people support coalition economic policy.Not that a leader less labour party that is hardly even opposing the coalition ,is on an equal percentage .And their chums the libdems are going towards single figures.why they can't just say their sorry for coming out for libdems

 

[Fez909]

Mr Hughes also suggested that a coalition between the Lib Dems and Labour was "still on the agenda" for after the next general election.

Link

lol

 

[killer b]

i think this bit is funnier:

Liberal Democrat MPs should have a veto on policies put forward by the coalition government

..

sure, sure. what sanctions can they feasible threaten the tories with?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Looking forward to these scum's electoral meltdown. Cancer - pure and simple.

 

[butchersapron]

But..but..hang on, there are no buts...into the ground with you.

 

[butchersapron]

i think this bit is funnier:

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sure, sure. what sanctions can they feasible threaten the tories with?

I believe the important bit there is to be seen ss doing something - unlike Clegg - positioning themselves for post-break up competition. Hughes is up to his ears in it in reality. Every last stinking one of them is.

 

[butchersapron]

Hilariously dishonest reading of the ICM poll in the guardian today - it shows a minority of those polled support the economic plans of the coalition (44%) at this point in time (i.e before April when they'll really kick in) yet the headline /lead in is: Coalition winning argument on economy – poll Guardian/ICM poll to mark 100 days of coalition shows strong support for government's cuts-based recovery strategy - they do a similar paint job on all the other figures.

edit:In the same article they call 44% saying the coalition are doing well on the economy as 'strong support', but somehow 46% thinking the tory lib-dem coalition doing a good job is only 'reasonably popular'.

 

[butchersapron]

This crap appears in the later coverage for example:

Few people seem to query the need for drastic spending cuts.

It's almost like they've been told to hold a line.

Oh, there's more, plenty more:

An excellent interactive shows the key relationships in the coalition and how well they are working. Does it have a smug variable i wonder?

And don't describe a thing as an interactive either.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I wonder how many fans on facebook the peoples' prince Raoul Moat would've got if he'da declared war on the lib dem trash instead of the northumbrian constabulary? Far more I would reckon - at least 2 million.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

It does beg the question - who are the 13 thick cunt % who still support the Libdems? Bloggers I would wager. Gruaniad journalist aspiring fucking bloggers.