Lib Dem Polls - How Low Can They Go?

[moon23]

Cabinet posts.

Louis MacNeice

Some people are like this, Greg Mullholland for instance is very self-interested. His opposition to fees being based entirley on his own re-election prospects. This won't change untill you reform parliment, the amount we pay MPs and the way we elect MPs.

 

[stethoscope]

 

[stethoscope]

Anyone got some rope?

 

[frogwoman]

Some people are like this, Greg Mullholland for instance is very self-interested. His opposition to fees being based entirley on his own re-election prospects. This won't change untill you reform parliment, the amount we pay MPs and the way we elect MPs.

Are the tories going to do this then?

 

[chilango]

Because most politicians do try to achieve what they aim for, even if in reality it's very hard to. Politics is almost always about having to accept dirty little compromises unless you have that rare opportunity of little opposition.

Since when is a complete, 100% uturn on an explicitly made key pledge a "little compromise"?

If as you argue, someone else really limits the decisions that politicians can/will make then it doesn't say much for democracy now does it?

Again, taking your arguments at face value, what is the point of voting?

 

[moon23]

Translation: my spirits are high through a combination of denial and the demands of party propoganda. As I said the very definiton of a hack.

Louis MacNeice

No becuase i'm supporting some really good local town councillors who represent my village and work for free to actualy improve things and make a differance. Westminster politics is only one side of life, here in my rural location what matters most is my own community.

 

[moon23]

Since when is a complete, 100% uturn on an explicitly made key pledge a "little compromise"?

If as you argue, someone else really limits the decisions that politicians can/will make then it doesn't say much for democarcy now does it?

Labour's U-Turn was in power with a majority, the Lib Dem's U-Turn is born out of a coalition compromise. Your right though the fact that all three parties have done U-Turns over the issue is bad for democracy. It's not something I think is a good thing, i'm just realistic about why it happens. Parties have to sacrafice a lot of principle to win political power in the UK.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

It does make sense, you understood it well enough to have to frame your critism within the 'context of the board'.

It made sense in the same way that someone trying to sell me rotten oranges on the presumption that I actually prefer rotten strawberries; i.e. it made no sense at all.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Fedayn]

Some people are like this, Greg Mullholland for instance is very self-interested. His opposition to fees being based entirley on his own re-election prospects. This won't change untill you reform parliment, the amount we pay MPs and the way we elect MPs.

Yeah, we should pay liars double their current wage....??

 

[Fedayn]

Because most politicians do try to achieve what they aim for, even if in reality it's very hard to. Politics is almost always about having to accept dirty little compromises unless you have that rare opportunity of little opposition.

Hmmmm, not including any Lib Dems, who, hope to achieve their aim indeed unbreakabler pledg of opposing any rise in tuiton fees by tripling them to possibly £9k oer year. A novel way of securing that little aim.....

 

[Louis MacNeice]

No becuase i'm supporting some really good local town councillors who represent my village and work for free to actualy improve things and make a differance. Westminster politics is only one side of life, here in my rural location what matters most is my own community.

The denial part is that you're denying both the relationship between the local and parliamentary party and the massive unpopularity of the latter. The propaganda part is your risible attempt to paint some lemon tinged idyll in which you scamper about doing good to one and all.

Louis MacNeice

 

[frogwoman]

Not only that but saying they want to abolish them ... is the bit on tuition fees still on the education section of the lib dems website btw?!

 

[butchersapron]

I need to post this again

 

[ymu]

It's amazing that anyone could mistake these protests for pro-labour protests - labout will be the ultimate electoral benificee (is that the word?) but only an out of touch desperate fool would mistake that for this being pro-labour.

Beneficiary.

And, quite. In case moon hadn't noticed, these protests are dominated by a demographic which overwhelmingly voted Lib Dem in May, with more students voting for them than Tory and Labour combined. It's the betrayal wot done it.

 

[Streathamite]

Because most politicians do try to achieve what they aim for, even if in reality it's very hard to.

how do you square this with the fact you'd dumped virtually all of the key parts of your manifesto - including ALL the promises you campaigned most loudly on - as part of the coalition agreement?

 

[stupid dogbot]

Because most politicians do try to achieve what they aim for, even if in reality it's very hard to. Politics is almost always about having to accept dirty little compromises unless you have that rare opportunity of little opposition.

And being able to justify anything through your blinkers, in your case.

 

[Streathamite]

Labour's U-Turn was in power with a majority, the Lib Dem's U-Turn is born out of a coalition compromise. Your right though the fact that all three parties have done U-Turns over the issue is bad for democracy. It's not something I think is a good thing, i'm just realistic about why it happens. Parties have to sacrafice a lot of principle to win political power in the UK.

Labour did NOT make 'no fees' the centrepiece of their elction campaign in an all-out bid for the student vote. You DID make 'no fee rises and abolition within 6 years' the cornerstone of yours, whilst all the while your leadership was planning to trash the pledge.
Look, you're utterly fucking crtap at this spinning so give up and at least aim for honesty.

 

[Streathamite]

No becuase i'm supporting some really good local town councillors who represent my village and work for free to actualy improve things and make a differance. Westminster politics is only one side of life, here in my rural location what matters most is my own community.

wee wow fucking whee if everything's smelling of fucking roses in your village, the whole country can sleep easily, can't it?

 

[stupid dogbot]

Hey, look on the bright side. At least the LibDems will still have one voter later...

 

[moon23]

how do you square this with the fact you'd dumped virtually all of the key parts of your manifesto - including ALL the promises you campaigned most loudly on - as part of the coalition agreement?

I compare the Conservative policy to the Lib Dem policy whilst consdering the ratio of Conservative MPs to Lib Dem MPs

 

[moon23]

wee wow fucking whee if everything's smelling of fucking roses in your village, the whole country can sleep easily, can't it?

Think Global act Local. I can't change the world Streathamite, but I can change my local community.

 

[butchersapron]

Yep, you can attack the poorest within it, fuck up the NHS and destroy the idea of society as mutually beneficial.

 

[Streathamite]

I compare the Conservative policy to the Lib Dem policy whilst consdering the ratio of Conservative MPs to Lib Dem MPs

why should anyone ever trust you or anyone in your party ever again - seeing as you've just admitted that all your principles and all your integrity are both up for sale?

 

[Streathamite]

Think Global act Local. I can't change the world Streathamite, but I can change my local community.

who the fuck would ever trust you with the keys to the village hall, on current form?

 

[moon23]

Labour did NOT make 'no fees' the centrepiece of their elction campaign in an all-out bid for the student vote. You DID make 'no fee rises and abolition within 6 years' the cornerstone of yours, whilst all the while your leadership was planning to trash the pledge.
Look, you're utterly fucking crtap at this spinning so give up and at least aim for honesty.

It's simply not true that 'fees' were the centrpiece of the election manifesto and campaign. They were one aspect of it. - http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-set...les-four-steps-to-a-fairer-britain-17505.html

 

[moon23]

why should anyone ever trust you or anyone in your party ever again - seeing as you've just admitted that all your principles and all your integrity are both up for sale?

I've done no such thing, i've said they are up for political compromise if it means we can acheive real results.

 

[Streathamite]

You really don't get it, do you, Moon23?. Let me spell out to you what, I'd say, the whole country thinks of you: WE. CAN'T TRUST. YOU. YOU. LIE. You've broken that trust, and all this pathetic, so-bad-it's-comical spinning from you can't repair that. Your credibility is 100% shot.

 

[belboid]

gosh, suddenly moonie is making a new argument. Exactly the one that Clegg started making yesterday. What is the point of this tedious repetition of Liberal Scum press releases?

 

[kabbes]

You really don't get it, do you, Moon23. Let me spell out to you what, I'd say, the whole country thinks of you: WE. CAN'T TRUST. YOU. YOU. LIE. You've broken that trust, and all this pathetic, so-bad-it's-comical spinning from you can't repair that. Your credibility is 100% shot.

It's true.

 

[belboid]

I've done no such thing, i've said they are up for political compromise if it means we can acheive real results.

whether you've said it or not, you dont have any principles. Nor does anyone in your party. Dead men walking.