Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh? but you post such weak, ill-considered bollocks your exploration only appears to extend as far as the cupboard under the stairs.
Lib Dem Polls - How Low Can They Go?
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yeh? but you post such weak, ill-considered bollocks your exploration only appears to extend as far as the cupboard under the stairs.
butchersapron
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You don't even understand the arguments.
I can't distinguish between abstaining and voting against. No, scratch that, Clegg and Cable abstaining is in many ways worse as it is utterly spineless, they would only be abstaining because they know they will still get their desired outcome while hoping to avoid the flack, people are more aware about this now though, it won't wash. Utter scum.
Pickman's Model has answered this for me - they'll all be tainted by the time anything like that has the opportunity to mobilise. Hughes, Kennedy, Campbell - all guilty men. It's going to become apparent that there's no point dropping the pilot, although there might be some individual self-interest for some in boarding another ship.
I'd agree with this, abstaining is even more contemptible - although Clegg and Cable's statements today at least make it explicit that an abstention is in effect an "aye" vote.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Interesting that people are starting to suggest that YG are over-estimating the tories...
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
a desperate attempt to rescue from the wreckage what remains of their party? Plus personal advancement for whoever leads the coup? My other feeling - apart from the knowledge that the grassroots are already in a state of nervous breakdown, and the grassroots carry a lot of weight in the libdems - is that this lot haven't got the spine to tough it out for 5 years.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Get the fuck in.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Thread title needs updating.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Death, when it comes, is often brutal. Long live death.
I just logged on to say "8%"
There isn't a dent in the Tories popularity though, not sure if stealing LD seats will be enough for Labour.
King Biscuit Time
Well-Known Member
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
On the contrary, one lot of Tories are down to 8%.
I don't know, all three major parties have now done U-turns on tuition fees. There was a lot of fuss when Blair brought them in, but it was quickly forgotten. I suspect the media will get bored soon without sustained images of teenagers smashing up a few bits of glass and playing push and shove with the met. There are a lot more important and bigger issues for Clegg to win or break on.
editor
hiraethified
No, he really doesn't have a a molecule of credibility left.
People won't forget his bare faced lies in a hurry, and the Lib Dems are now seen as a shifty, lying, two faced bunch of fuckers who will say and do anything to get into power.
They're finished.
butchersapron
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When you say that you 'don't know' to the statement that Clegg has no credibility left you really do reveal just how out of touch with public feeling you are, and what you have to tell yourself each morning to keep the front up.
The true mark of being in government, people think you are two faced fuckers. Never mind Labour's double U-Turn on fees or the Tories U-Turn on fees. It doesn't matter, ultimately parties are unpopular when in government fall our of government win back popularity and get back in. At least Labour had Union apologists supporting them in power and the Tories their own powerbase. Of course a minor party is going to get bum rapped when in government without that kind of structural support.
The Lib Dems have been a protest party up until now, but it’s better to have a term in office and make some positive changes then heckle at the side-lines. I think some of the things the Lib Dems are doing are worthwhile, and that it’s worth taking a hit in popularity.
I think it will be a shame if some good Councillors lose their seats in May, you get good and bad councillors in all parties and it’s frustrating when bad ones get elected and good ones get defeated on national rather than local issues.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's amazing that anyone could mistake these protests for pro-labour protests - labout will be the ultimate electoral benificee (is that the word?) but only an out of touch desperate fool would mistake that for this being pro-labour.
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hiraethified
Right. So in your mind, Clegg reneging on his pre election promise was actually a good thing?
Maybe you should change your name to the Moonies, because your grip on reality is about as strong.
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