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Lib Dem Polls - How Low Can They Go?

moon23 said:
The true mark of being in government, people think you are two faced fuckers. Never mind Labour's double U-Turn on fees or the Tories U-Turn on fees. It doesn't matter, ultimately parties are unpopular when in government fall our of government win back popularity and get back in. At least Labour had Union apologists supporting them in power and the Tories their own powerbase. Of course a minor party is going to get bum rapped when in government without that kind of structural support.

The Lib Dems have been a protest party up until now, but it’s better to have a term in office and make some positive changes then heckle at the side-lines. I think some of the things the Lib Dems are doing are worthwhile, and that it’s worth taking a hit in popularity.

I think it will be a shame if some good Councillors lose their seats in May, you get good and bad councillors in all parties and it’s frustrating when bad ones get elected and good ones get defeated on national rather than local issues.
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Lots of people thought you were two faced rat fuckers before the coalition. Now a lot more people think that way. Now a lot more people know that you're two faced fuckers. Nothing you say can help you now - nothing about 'union apologists' (want to expand on that?), no attempt to paint the extraordinary as ordinary, as the normal run of things - none of this will help you now.
 
This is normally the point at which the lib-dem leader pays someone to bump off someone. But they even fuck that up and end up with a dead dog instead. RIP Rinka - we will never forget.
 
Someone on Twitter said something about a new poll putting the LDs below Ukip in Scotland (that noted hotbed of Ukip support). Has anyone see this?
 
moon23 said:
The true mark of being in government, people think you are two faced fuckers.
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so the whole point of being in government is to be a bunch of lying, cynical, conniving, deceitful wankers? I thought you lot were all about being something 'new' and 'different'? you know - like your Glorious Leader said just about every waking minute, during your GE campaign?
You've been rumbled, and you'll shortly be buried
 
butchersapron said:
When you say that you 'don't know' to the statement that Clegg has no credibility left you really do reveal just how out of touch with public feeling you are, and what you have to tell yourself each morning to keep the front up.
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Left leaning people are enraged I don't deny that, my spirits are high though. Off to do some Tabloid deliveries this afternoon, a good headline that guns at the Tories. We have some good local canvas data for next May for targeting and the Green’s are doing a good job of splitting what votes we are losing from the left.
 
moon23 said:
I don't know, all three major parties have now done U-turns on tuition fees.
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NO other party - major or minor - lined up ALL their MPs to sign the 'no increase in fees' pledge that yours did, and then pushed all out for student votes (successfully) off the back of it, and no other party promised fees abolition within 6 years. YOU DID - and it was a keynote promise. I thought you were meant to be different from the other parties, anyway. Stop trying to have it both ways.
There was a lot of fuss when Blair brought them in, but it was quickly forgotten.
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Oh yeah? WAS IT??? I doubt it.
I suspect the media will get bored soon without sustained images of teenagers smashing up a few bits of glass and playing push and shove with the met.
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It's not just about that, you dick! How divorced from reality you are. here's reality; you've lost evey single student vote, every single youth vote, and prolly most of their parents too. Plus those of anyone who cares about the credibility of political parties
 
moon23 said:
Left leaning people are enraged I don't deny that, my spirits are high though. Off to do some Tabloid deliveries this afternoon, a good headline that guns at the Tories. We have some good local canvas data for next May for targeting and the Green’s are doing a good job of splitting what votes we are losing from the left.
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The very defintion of an unthinking party hack.

Louis MacNeice
 
Streathamite said:
so the whole point of being in government is to be a bunch of lying, cynical, conniving, deceitful wankers? I thought you lot were all about being something 'new' and 'different'? you know - like your Glorious Leader said just about every waking minute, during your GE campaign?
You've been rumbled, and you'll shortly be buried
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I don't think the party is lying, cynical or deceitful I think it's dealing in the reality of politics where you have to make tough decisions and compromises you don't want to. Most people on this board have the luxury of idealism detached from power.
 
moon23 said:
I don't think the party is lying, cynical or deceitful I think it's dealing in the reality of politics where you have to make tough decisions and compromises you don't want to. Most people on this board have the luxury of idealism detached from power.
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Problem for you is that everyone else thinks - correctly - that you are lying, cynical and deceitful. You are.
 
Louis MacNeice said:
The very defintion of an unthinking party hack.

Louis MacNeice
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My spirts are high because the party is in a coalition locally with Labour and doing a lot of good things in the local Council. I look at improvements in my local community Louis thanks to the people I know and work with getting stuck in and making a differance.

Westminster politics is only one part of the story and I recognise a smaller party isn't going to get it's own way.
 
moon23 said:
I don't think the party is lying, cynical or deceitful I think it's dealing in the reality of politics where you have to make tough decisions and compromises you don't want to. Most people on this board have the luxury of idealism detached from power.
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What's the fecking point of voting for anyone then?
 
moon23 said:
My spirts are high because the party is in a coalition locally with Labour and doing a lot of good things in the local Council. I look at improvements in my local community Louis thanks to the people I know and work with getting stuck in and making a differance.

Westminster politics is only one part of the story and I recognise a smaller party isn't going to get it's own way.
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Translation: my spirits are high through a combination of denial and the demands of party propoganda. As I said the very definiton of a hack.

Louis MacNeice
 
chilango said:
What's the fecking point of voting for anyone then?
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Because most politicians do try to achieve what they aim for, even if in reality it's very hard to. Politics is almost always about having to accept dirty little compromises unless you have that rare opportunity of little opposition.
 
moon23 said:
Because most politicians do try to achieve what they aim for, even if in reality it's very hard to. Politics is almost always about having to accept dirty little compromises unless you have that rare opportunity of little opposition.
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Cabinet posts.

Louis MacNeice
 
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