The thread has cherry picked the lowest tracker store to date. YG's polling is rubbish, 34% was ludicrously high and 10% is too low. 16% is the latest ICM poll which is still a drop to be concerned about.
Lib Dem Polls - How Low Can They Go?
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The thread has cherry picked the lowest tracker store to date. YG's polling is rubbish, 34% was ludicrously high and 10% is too low. 16% is the latest ICM poll which is still a drop to be concerned about.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bpix also have the lib-dems on 10%. Comres have you on 14%. Why cherry pick the highest? The pol in the OP was the YG tracker, as is the now repeated 10% figure. Seems consistent to stick with YG doesn't it? You can't cherry pick the current figure btw - it just is. It's the current figure.
Tell us why the YG figure is a joke. What's your criticism of their methodology?
Tell us why the YG figure is a joke. What's your criticism of their methodology?
It's limited to people with computers and they apply their own disclosed formula to the statistics for weighting purposes - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ele...ollster-gives-Labour-an-unfair-advantage.html
They consistently show Lib Dem support as being lower than any of their competitors.
No, it's restricted to people with access to computers - at one time this was a legitimate criticism, but now, with libraries, and internet cafes and workplaces, and day centres all offering internet access, it is not valid.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No it's not! You don't think them opt-in joke polls are what they base their tracker on do you
And no, the current YG weighting is due precisely to YG giving the lib-dems higher results than the reality was - the current highest ones are from ICM who also similarly overestimated the lib-dems prior to the election but have not chnaged their methodology since. That even they say you're fucked means you probably are fucked.
That link has nothing to do with the posts here - it's about labour and it's about a now discarded set of weightings and other criteria.
Here is an interesting article essentially saying that where the party is currently in the polls is nothing that new despite how some who want to see the Lib Dems do badly may latch onto the lowest poll rating they can find.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/10/liberal-democrats-vote-party
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/10/liberal-democrats-vote-party
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What's the difference between those previous low ratings and now? Have a think about it.
Ok so you think there is no problem with access to computers for the poor or ethnic minorities. Maybe you are right and this is no longer problem, which is a good thing.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
the writer really has missed the point there!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Er, your vote collapsed in the urban areas at the same time - Swansea, Oxford, St Helens, Sheffield - did you miss that?
King Biscuit Time
Well-Known Member
They say you only poll 10% with YouGov twice. Once on the way up, once on the way down.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
why on earth would tory voters in their heartlands switch to LD, when there's practically no difference between the 2 parties now, and they might as well vote for the real McCoy? And given that your spiel of 'we're the only way you can turf the tory out' is now toast, why would anyone else in those seats vote for you?
Nope I just said I predict there will be losses against Labour, so this is consistent with votes falling in urban areas. Labour are targeting Lib Dem votes at the moment, although it won’t be enough to win an election as they also need to win back those people who voted Conservative at the last election.
I suspect a few years of pain whilst the CSR is going through then an upturn with the economy increasing.
There are many reasons to vote LD locally, you only have to look at the polices the Lib Dems are putting through in the coaltition to see there is a distinctive difference between the parties.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
oh do fuck off.
There are a range of issues from Capital Gains Tax, Inheritance Tax, Pupil Premium to electoral reform that shows having LDs in the coalition is better than a Conservative government.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
eh? there is agreement between the government and the labour party on the subject of eg capital gains tax. you're spouting bollocks again.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
none you can actually thionk of tho. God, you're doing an abysmal job of dfending the indfensible.
Corax
Luke 5:16
FFS. I voted LD, I think that's on record so there's no point denying it..
That was naive. But to carry on defending the fuckers now is just... I dunno. Stupid? That doesn't seem strong enough somehow. By a loooong way.
The party is dead. They had a lot of support from 'natural' Labour voters who were pissed off about Iraq etc. That was the source of their 'emergence'. Those voters will never touch them again, not even with a shitty stick. The Lib Dems are fucked, they are irrelevant.
That was naive. But to carry on defending the fuckers now is just... I dunno. Stupid? That doesn't seem strong enough somehow. By a loooong way.
The party is dead. They had a lot of support from 'natural' Labour voters who were pissed off about Iraq etc. That was the source of their 'emergence'. Those voters will never touch them again, not even with a shitty stick. The Lib Dems are fucked, they are irrelevant.
Fair play to anyone who voted LD for these reasons and now takes this line.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Not taht old 'it would be far worse without us' bollocks!
yes, but whatever you mean in one locality, nationally you're putting through a raft of policies which reek of thatcherism, I mean one can barely get a fag paper between you and the tories - so why not vote for the real thing?
yup.
Sorry this is bollocks there are lot's of the best polices to emerge from the Coalition that are only there becuase of the Lib Dems. Delay of trident, pupil premium, AV vote, increase of minimal tax bracket, increase in CGT, retaining inheritance tax.
People should be proud they voted for these polices and are seeing them enacted.
No I don't so don't paint some shitty straw man that suggests I do, I’ve already posted up an article where polling experts and academics take issue with some of their algorithms so it’s obvious I know they apply things to weigh them.
Next time try actually reading the thread.
without the Lib Dems there would be no Conservative government.
The reason there is a Conservative led government is becuase they won the most MPs. The electorate decided.
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