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lest we forget: the riots which have slipped from memory

On This Day:  September 22, 1860
Last years hero an all that.....
Riots are, in my estimation at least, a belated release of tension of that which has made us quietly enraged for years prior to the volcanic outpouring of the driving sentiment.

I thoroughly recommend a Museum of London publication, "The Crowd in History" its breakdown analysis of the occupation of rioters from contemporaneous police accounts, with location, occupation data, etc was superb. They no longer publish it, nor even reference it on the website. BUT I bought a copy in their shop
So it seems that riots are hard to get the real facts about if even respected institutions choose to keep stum
Their data on 1848/49 Paris arrests after the communards was superb, I nave no idea why this, currently at least, seems to have been suppressed
Big thanks to Pickmans for bringing the whole subject up
It needs more examination
 
veri interesting thread. there have been lots of riots here in nyc, which Wikipedia has conveniently gathered:
List of incidents of civil unrest in New York City - Wikipedia

this is a juicy one
1788 Doctors' riot - Wikipedia
"In April 1788, a group of children were playing outside the New York Hospital, next to a room where a student of the physician Richard Bayley, who was known to exhume corpses from the two cemeteries, was dissecting an arm. Bayley, born and bred in Connecticut, had received his medical education in England, where body-snatching was more common. There were whispers about him “cutting up his patients and performing cruel experiments upon the sick”.

The student, named John Hicks, waved the arm out at the children, telling a boy whose mother had recently died that it belonged to her. The boy ran home and told his father of this, who, after exhuming his wife's coffin and finding it empty, gathered a group of concerned citizens who marched to the hospital and began to mass around the building."

pertinent to the nterests of some here may be:
Orange Riots - Wikipedia
 
from that article

Euromarch has also played a part in linking struggles and this was highlighted at the Cardiff summit where the demonstration was followed by a street party protest organised with the assistance of the »Reclaim the Streets« organisation
 
Indeed, and Euromarches was one of the constituent transnational elements of J18 (along with the Inter Continental Caravan and the PGA) in 1999... 20years ago nearly :eek:
 
DaveCinzano said:
Indeed, and Euromarches was one of the constituent transnational elements of J18 (along with the Inter Continental Caravan and the PGA) in 1999... 20years ago nearly :eek:
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See, for me they were different movements with little cross over. Probably because I never properly looked into links.
Euromarch for me was more of a family affair before I left home, something my parents took me to and got me and my siblings involved in as teens.
RTS / J18 served more as a break from my family's demands / expectations when I moved to London as a 18 yo. I saw it as something to get involved in my folks wouldn't necessarily approve of, and doing my own thing, politically.
It's very interesting for me to look into this period a bit more closely and to join the dots.
 
littleseb said:
See, for me they were different movements with little cross over. Probably because I never properly looked into links.
Euromarch for me was more of a family affair before I left home, something my parents took me to and got me and my siblings involved in as teens.
RTS / J18 served more as a break from my family's demands / expectations when I moved to London as a 18 yo. I saw it as something to get involved in my folks wouldn't necessarily approve of, and doing my own thing, politically.
It's very interesting for me to look into this period a bit more closely and to join the dots.
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The significance - and perhaps impact - of J18, comes from these off-piste lash-ups between seemingly unconnected groups and movements.

It wasn't ‘just’ RTS, it was Liverpool dockers, London RMT, Euromarches types, MST in Brasil, Ya Basta/Tute Bianche, various ‘action kitchens’, the ICC, pirate radio crews, PGA, a certain record label and a certain connected early cybercafe-cum-hack lab, the International Bolshevik Tendency(!), ex-soldiers, Stop The City veterans coming out of ‘retirement’, research teams, office temps spending months undercover in the City, CJA-radicalised ravers, Zapatista groupies, as well as innumerable local groups from half a dozen nationwide or international networks of specific political flavours (EF! and so on)... All these and many more were involved in not just attending, but helping to design and shape the form the day took, a long time in advance of one hot summer's day. Only from combining together things that are not the same can you create something unsurmountable. Present a homogenous, familiar target, and you get splatted down as soon as they have the measure of you.
 
Pickman's model said:
i'll start you off with the battle of mayfair - 17 august 1969 - when a thousand-strong mob attacked the ulster office in berkeley square:

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Sent the clippings to Mr Fire Senior and he filled in some colour for me, I asked if I could share, (no names no pack drill) and here's what he said...
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I was there. It was probably the most violent demo I was ever on. I can remember handfuls of the old copper pennies being thrown at the horses heads. In fact the battle spread to Green Park where benches were used as barricades. Posh car showrooms were trashed. Petrol bombs were thrown. I think people were a bit annoyed. I was actually supposed to testify in the Old Bailey as a witness for one of the petrol bombers and was relieved when I wasn’t called. Can’t even remember his name! I think that was organized by ********** and his then partner ********* a barrister both heavily involved with ICCL. If you get any more stuff on this do send it. BTW I got home fine

PS
i can believe the bright yellow shirt and the fawn ‘slacks’ but I don’t believe any Irishman is stupid enough to wear sandals to a demo!
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BTW the petrol bombs were also thrown directly at the Ulster Office. I can’t remember if any of them hit. Too long ago.

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Pickman's model if you have any other archive material to see it would be appreciated. :)
 
spitfire said:
Sent the clippings to Mr Fire Senior and he filled in some colour for me, I asked if I could share, (no names no pack drill) and here's what he said...
__________
I was there. It was probably the most violent demo I was ever on. I can remember handfuls of the old copper pennies being thrown at the horses heads. In fact the battle spread to Green Park where benches were used as barricades. Posh car showrooms were trashed. Petrol bombs were thrown. I think people were a bit annoyed. I was actually supposed to testify in the Old Bailey as a witness for one of the petrol bombers and was relieved when I wasn’t called. Can’t even remember his name! I think that was organized by ********** and his then partner ********* a barrister both heavily involved with ICCL. If you get any more stuff on this do send it. BTW I got home fine

PS
i can believe the bright yellow shirt and the fawn ‘slacks’ but I don’t believe any Irishman is stupid enough to wear sandals to a demo!
__________

BTW the petrol bombs were also thrown directly at the Ulster Office. I can’t remember if any of them hit. Too long ago.

___________

Pickman's model if you have any other archive material to see it would be appreciated. :)
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I'll see what I can dig out :thumbs:
 
Sirena said:
South Shields, at the mouth of the Tyne, had one of the earliest Arab populations in the UK. The seamen settled there and became well integrated, because - it was said - the main pastimes of the local men were getting drunk and beating up their wives. Muslims didn't drink and, so, they were a better marriage bet.

Then times got hard and the (by now well-integrated) Arab seamen saw what they thought was unfair treatment in the handing out of tickets to work merchant ships. They felt the white locals were getting all the work and they were being discriminated against.

The thing exploded into full-scale riot and street battle....

South Shields riots between Yemeni and British sailors remembered 85 years on

My own mother, thirty years later, would still warn us about going across the river to South Shields because of the Arabs and their knives.....
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the seaport riots of 1919 also affected shields IIRC- nasty period with untion supported colour bar impacting non white sailors from the empire in the utter mess of the post war years. Kind of forgotten about when talking of red clydeside these days
 
Sirena said:
North Shields is also at the mouth of the Tyne.

In the 19th century, Dockwray Square, just by the Fish Quay, was a posh Victorian square full of lawyers and port officials and suchlike. Stan Laurel's fairly middle-class family lived there around the turn of the century, when the square was just beginning its slow decline. By the second world war, it was a rough area and all the old houses had become poor working-class tenements.

After the war, as part of the general clear-up because of bomb-damage, the square was cleared and everyone moved to a brand new estate just west of town. The estate was called The Ridges. When I was at school in the 60s, The Ridges had a fearsome reputation. We were all mostly council estate kids but the kids from The Ridges were always understood to be the 'hard' kids and we didn't mix much with them.

It got to be such a no-go, quasi-criminal area that the Council had to do something about it. They put money into it and renamed it the Meadowell Estate but nothing really changed and the thing finally blew wide open in 1991 when the whole area exploded into riots....

Meadow Well riots - Wikipedia

Stories that shocked Tyneside: The Meadow Well riots in North Shields - Chronicle Live
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Elswick riots at the same time - two twoccers getting killed on the coast road may have been the spark for this
 
not-bono-ever said:
the seaport riots of 1919 also affected shields IIRC- nasty period with untion supported colour bar impacting non white sailors from the empire in the utter mess of the post war years. Kind of forgotten about when talking of red clydeside these days
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this about the 1919 Newport (S Wales) race riots posted today - came to me at third hand via tweeter
 
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