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I don't think I've ever removed any comments from Buzz so they're not going anywhere!Its ok. I know the amount of work you and More put in.
Personally Id rather the comments at end of the Brixton Buzz piece be kept in.
I don't think I've ever removed any comments from Buzz so they're not going anywhere!Its ok. I know the amount of work you and More put in.
Personally Id rather the comments at end of the Brixton Buzz piece be kept in.
I don't think that's fair... SUTL have done lots of good work and it's not fair to categorise them like that because of that commentSo Stand Up to Lambeth = prejudice against people with mental health issues.
And Lambeth Council are supposed to be the worst.
I give up.
I don't think that's fair... SUTL have done lots of good work and it's not fair to categorise them like that because of that comment
The point I'm making is that 2 or 3 people in that comment thread don't represent SUTLI await them to comment on the article to disown the recent comments in that case.
I've been following the post article discussion. its unpleasant and nasty.
I've been attacked. Its why I've left it alone. I haven't got the energy for it.
I'm sympathetic but losing that in the way they have behaved out the Buzz comment section.
I've been questioned. Like why should I have to justify myself? The Jokers of Stand Up to Lambeth have no idea of what I've been through. And I don't feel like justifiying myself to them.
And I don't think the intervention on mental health was an accident.
Its shit.
I stick up for my friends. And I think my friend has been treated very badly by so called community organisation.
The point I'm making is that 2 or 3 people in that comment thread don't represent SUTL
The event was very informative and had a really useful discussion
SUTL have organised and supported demos and campaigns on lots of really important local issues
People getting pissy on the internet shouldnt undermine that
That's all fairI beg to differ.
The people posting up made clear they are leading lights in SUTL.
A lot of people like me who can't make meeitings due to work depend on internet.
That is the norm now.
When I engage with SUTL on the article I get load of shit. Like my mate, a commited community activist. Apparently the wrong kind.
Once he gets criticised they get there mates in to have a go.
Using mental health is hate speech. IMO
We live our lives on the internet more now. Its not to be dismissed as just pissy.
This is interesting but its not the point I was making.
When my friend who atttedend the meeting posted up on the comment section of the Brixton Buzz article he was attacked and vilified.
Accused of being corrupt. The same as Labour Cllrs.
The thrust of it was that it you aren't for us your against us.
When I come in to defend my mate, who has track record of supporting the community, I get questioned.
I say I'm a Council tenant. So get asked what kind.
I haven't got the energy to deal with this.
I'm apparently under suspicion for being the wrong kind of Council tenant.
I've seen this before in community issues. Council are supposed to be the main enemy. But if one doesn't tow the line one is treated by community activists in just the same way as Council treat dissenters.
I'm not happy or gloating about this. Reading the comments at end of the Brixton Buzz piece its classic case of how committed community activists can end up treating dissenting individuals in the same way as Council.
I can take it from that Tory Briggs. Tories are cunts. So that is whats expected.
Demolition – is your estate next? Local councillors, housing activists, researchers and journalists discuss Lambeth policy
The Tory accused me of :
"ideologically driven assumptions"
I've just read the latest comments on that page - tried to comment too but not sure it submitted properly. A couple of the comments definitely overstep the mark and the "Maudsley" one is bang out of line. Urban looks positively easy going in comparison.
So Stand Up to Lambeth = prejudice against people with mental health issues.
I beg to differ.
The people posting up made clear they are leading lights in SUTL.
A lot of people like me who can't make meeitings due to work depend on internet.
That is the norm now.
When I engage with SUTL on the article I get load of shit. Like my mate, a commited community activist. Apparently the wrong kind.
Once he gets criticised they get there mates in to have a go.
Using mental health is hate speech. IMO
We live our lives on the internet more now. Its not to be dismissed as just pissy.
I think you're being too lenient. I now there's loads of bullshit all over the internet but that doesnt mean that "go to the maudsley" is any kind of acceptable comment for someone purporting to be fighting on behalf of the Lambeth community. The think I like about SUTL is that its got a wide range of voices and that it's about making a difference... it is diminshed by "with us or against us" posts like on that thread and even more so when they start making unpleasant coments about mental health."Leading lights"? SUtL is a collective. brixtonblade is a member, as am I, as is Hurst&Meath. There are no leaders, because it makes it easier to control power-plays by people like the Momentum and LHA people who attended meetings and tried to make OUR thing - standing up to Lambeth Council - into their thing - supporting Jeremy Corbyn and/or the Labour Party.
Hate speech - hate speech depends, in the legal sense, on me calling you in a derogatory manner a "nutter" because I know you're a "nutter", weaponising my knowledge of your mental health status. Telling someone you don't know (as presumably H&M doesn't personally know CH1) to go to the local psych ward and get their meds checked isn't hate speech, it's an insult - hurtful/unkind/plain nasty to be sure, but not "hate speech", even by the perverse standards the police and CPS impose.
I shouldn't have to be saying this stuff to you. You usually think things through.
"Leading lights"? SUtL is a collective. brixtonblade is a member, as am I, as is Hurst&Meath. There are no leaders, because it makes it easier to control power-plays by people like the Momentum and LHA people who attended meetings and tried to make OUR thing - standing up to Lambeth Council - into their thing - supporting Jeremy Corbyn and/or the Labour Party.
Hate speech - hate speech depends, in the legal sense, on me calling you in a derogatory manner a "nutter" because I know you're a "nutter", weaponising my knowledge of your mental health status. Telling someone you don't know (as presumably H&M doesn't personally know CH1) to go to the local psych ward and get their meds checked isn't hate speech, it's an insult - hurtful/unkind/plain nasty to be sure, but not "hate speech", even by the perverse standards the police and CPS impose.
I shouldn't have to be saying this stuff to you. You usually think things through.
Without going into details the remark about going to Maudsley was weaponised.
It was to obviously done by someone who knows that person's background.
So under your definition it was weaponised.
I was clear reference to the person's circumstances.The circumstances Im aware of.
Totally unacceptable imo way to argue.
Except that I'm stating categorically that it wasn't. I'm aware that the person knows of David, but only insofar as he's a person known around Brixton as a character and a former Lib Dem councillor.
You've decided that it was a clear reference, so that's that, isn't it? You're not going to listen to anyone contradicting what you've decided to be holy writ.
Maybe, but is blindly supporting a mate any better?
I think you're being too lenient. I now there's loads of bullshit all over the internet but that doesnt mean that "go to the maudsley" is any kind of acceptable comment for someone purporting to be fighting on behalf of the Lambeth community. The think I like about SUTL is that its got a wide range of voices and that it's about making a difference... it is diminshed by "with us or against us" posts like on that thread and even more so when they start making unpleasant coments about mental health.
It was obvious to me by the way the comment was written that it was a clear reference.
Actually you're right... "with us or against us" isn't the problem here, its the shitty mental health comments which I find offensive with or without any reference to any given individuals MH situationSomeone came along and spouted a version of events that's contrary to what happened (see the allegations about Lisa McKenzie, for example). That was the trigger for all of it - a version that didn't accord with the recorded footage of the event, but did accord to David Warner's preferences and prejudices. I can see why that was taken as provocation, because frankly - as I stated straight away on that Buzz comment section - I thought they must have been at a different event than me. I explained in a reasonable manner what had actually happened, but got no explanation from him as to why his version differed from what I witnessed. In such a case, I can see why someone might take a "with us or against us" position, especially given SUtL's previous experience with members of Momentum, Unite etc trying to rubbish us after we cunted them off.
As for the mental health comment, I've explained my position. I can't speak for whoever this Thorpe character is.
Dbl postActually you're right... "with us or against us" isn't the problem here, its the shitty mental health comments which I find offensive with or without any reference to any given individuals MH situation
Is there a video yet of what actually happened at this event, so folk can judge for themselves?
While I don't agree with Gramsci that someone should be shut out of helping a group's aims just because they are a tory - I agree with him about the vindictive and unnecessary comments on that buzz thread. If I was a member of a residents association I wouldn't be happy with someone saying that stuff in my name. I guess the comments there aren't moderated as there's a whole load of what's clearly personal abuse which supposedly isn't even acceptable on U75.
I/we haven't got the resources to send people to cover many meetings so the account was sent in and reproduced in good faith, and to at least keep the topic in the news. You - like anyone else - are of course welcome to send in your own articles.Even the wonderful Buzz in the past year has seemingly lost its sting and its free thinking non partisan position, going soft on Corbyn and especially the Greens.
So Stand Up to Lambeth = prejudice against people with mental health issues.
And Lambeth Council are supposed to be the worst.
I give up.