Lambeth's plans to demolish Cressingham Gardens and other estates without the consent of residents

[BusLanes]

Unusual when someone has been to a meeting to find their impression of event so roundly condemned.

Hah just saw the comments. Well at least civil society is functioning?

 

[Gramsci]

Unusual when someone has been to a meeting to find their impression of event so roundly condemned.

I read some of the comments.

As much as I dislike what this New Labour Council is doing the opposition , as represented at the meeting, is just as dictatorial.

 

[Gramsci]

Hah just saw the comments. Well at least civil society is functioning?

The comments are appaling.

I'm no friend of what this Council are doing to Council housing, particularly as I'm a Council tenant now, but the way someone who commented has been vilified on that Brixton Buzz piece is inexcusable.

 

[Gramsci]

BTW I have dealt with Cllr Thackeray and found her helpful.

 

[BusLanes]

Oh I didn't realise that was CH (sorry, don't know real names here for most people). Apologies if I seemed dismissive

 

[Gramsci]

Damning report on Lambeth's policies Demolition – is your estate next? Local councillors, housing activists, researchers and journalists discuss Lambeth policy

Read this and the appaling comments.

I feel stuck in a rock and a hard place. i agree that New Labour Lambeth is not to be trusted with supporting Council housing. I however think the way this meeting went was just a bad as New Labour. Its not exactly trying to find friends and influence people. Like me who is sympathetic.

 

[Gramsci]

Oh I didn't realise that was CH (sorry, don't know real names here for most people). Apologies if I seemed dismissive

Not necessarily CH.

Its the way the comment was answered that annoyed me.

 

[CH1]

Surely if Cllr Thackray had prepared answers to the accusation she should have been allowed to give them.

I reckon that films like that about inappropriate redevelopment tactics by local councils in conjunction with developers are a positive force in arguing for a community based approach in the interests of tenants. But if a film showing then leads to a public row set up by one of more of the meeting organisers it is upsetting, to say the least to have to witness.

 

[Gramsci]

Damning report on Lambeth's policies Demolition – is your estate next? Local councillors, housing activists, researchers and journalists discuss Lambeth policy

Plus the comments at end of the article by the organizers of the meeting , which I think are abusive, don't criticize the Tory Cllr.

Revealed: Tory runs 'eviction specialist' firm in borough with 1,800 homeless

Cllr Thackeray gets roundly criticised but a Tory who is involved in eviction business gets no criticism.

In fact he is invited to meeting. I'm not impressed.

 

[editor]

Plus the comments at end of the article by the organizers of the meeting , which I think are abusive, don't criticize the Tory Cllr.

Revealed: Tory runs 'eviction specialist' firm in borough with 1,800 homeless

Cllr Thackeray gets roundly criticised but a Tory who is involved in eviction business gets no criticism.

In fact he is invited to meeting. I'm not impressed.

I remember that. Why on earth was he invited? And why didn't anyone bring up his filthy business?

 

[Gramsci]

I remember that. Why on earth was he invited? And why didn't anyone bring up his filthy business?

Particularly as at the meeting Cllr Thackeray was singled out for criticism. Yet Cllr Briggs no.

And Cllr Briggs was on the invited panel. He wasnt just someone who turned up to the meeting.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Unusual when someone has been to a meeting to find their impression of event so roundly condemned.

You mean your impressions? Possibly because you've entirely missed the context, and made assumptions about "ambush" etc?

 

[ViolentPanda]

The comments are appaling.

I'm no friend of what this Council are doing to Council housing, particularly as I'm a Council tenant now, but the way someone who commented has been vilified on that Brixton Buzz piece is inexcusable.

You say "vilified", but if he hadn't spun his criticisms in the first place, perhaps the reaction wouldn't have been as vociferous?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Particularly as at the meeting Cllr Thackeray was singled out for criticism. Yet Cllr Briggs no.

And Cllr Briggs was on the invited panel. He wasnt just someone who turned up to the meeting.

The theme was what municipal landlords are doing. Cllr Briggs has a record for resisting regen. Cllr Thackray has no such record, and indeed resisted regen being mentioned on her ward's election leaflets last year.

 

[editor]

The theme was what municipal landlords are doing. Cllr Briggs has a record for resisting regen. Cllr Thackray has no such record, and indeed resisted regen being mentioned on her ward's election leaflets last year.

That's as maybe, but the Tories have a proud and long standing record of completely destroying communities and stamping on their faces forever. Briggs may be the nicest guy around with a wonderful record of resisting regen but he's signed up to - and a fully fledged member of - a party whose policies are the fucking worst when it comes to housing.

 

[teuchter]

Things get complicated when you start trying to decide who's really to blame on various housing issues...is it Labour councils being forced by Conservative funding cuts? It's not quite as simple as that; it seems that Labour councils are rather more actively pushing these schemes than they really have to. Evidently this was a theme at the Cressingham meeting discussed above. Probably most people following this thread already know about the Architects For Social Housing Blog - following their articles helps me try and get a better picture of everything that's going on. In particular they are pretty critical of Labour's housing policy - both the reality of the Corbyn-led 'official' policy and Sadiq Khan's implementation of policy in London.

Homes for Londoners? Sadiq Khan’s Record on Housing - architectsforsocialhousing

Rebuilding Britain: Housing at the Labour Party Conference 2018 - architectsforsocialhousing

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's as maybe, but the Tories have a proud and long standing record of completely destroying communities and stamping on their faces forever. Briggs may be the nicest guy around with a wonderful record of resisting regen but he's signed up to - and a fully fledged member of - a party whose policies are the fucking worst when it comes to housing.

As do Labour, at a local level, as you're very well aware. Labour as a party currently have some good housing policies (although not strong enough to even begin to reverse the damage of the last 40 yrs of neoliberalism in housing, Tory and Labour), but down here on the ground, they're often just as despicable and ravening as the Tories are at a national level.

 

[Gramsci]

You say "vilified", but if he hadn't spun his criticisms in the first place, perhaps the reaction wouldn't have been as vociferous?

Its the reaction it got.Ive been looking again at the comments at end of the piece.

Im against what the Council are doing to Cressingham.

But if this is how people are treated Im put off.

This isn't how to get support.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Its the reaction it got.Ive been looking again at the comments at end of the piece.

The comments in reply to David by Hurst and Meath are entirely understandable, and accurate from the writer's perspective. I've been "in the thick" of this situation since the Thackray issue started. I was asked to attend meetings between the RA and the Cllrs as a kind of "neutral observer" at first. When it became clear that Cllrs were attempting to disrupt the RA, I took a side. I will ALWAYS support a community over those in power, especially when those in power hold secret meetings about residents that aren't minuted.

Im against what the Council are doing to Cressingham.

I know. This has nothing to do with Cressingham, it's "Stand Up to Lambeth", which was founded by two wonderful women from Central Hill estate, and attended by people from across the political spectrum - including our own brixtonblade .

But if this is how people are treated Im put off.

This isn't how to get support.

My problem is that when we're nice, and "play the game", we don't get support, and while I wouldn't have gone for Cllr Thackray in quite those terms, what was said was accurate. What she did was - by her own admission - to attempt to set up a TRA that excluded the democratically-elected Chair of the existing TRA, on spurious grounds. Rather than mediating, as requested, Cllrs Thackray and Dickson instead decided to help facilitate a coup. Personally, I can see why the Chair of H & MRA was angry, and as someone who was there when he was excluded from the council meeting - again, undemocratically - I'm angry too. There's too much of a democratic deficit in Lambeth already, without Cllrs adding to it, and without people saying "no, you can't have a go at these people, or expose their perfidy if they happen to turn up at an event where you were already going to criticise them".

 

[snowy_again]

Just to repost the council run 'TRA' meeting - although not the actual TRA of Hurst Street, Meath House, Park View and Herne Hill House as Doreen decided that she was going to boot off members that didn't agree with her; hence lots of the 'you're not invited' and 'this is for local residents' comments she makes; despite me being able to recognise my neighbours amongst others who are attempting to join their own TRA meeting.

 

[brixtonblade]

The comments in reply to David by Hurst and Meath are entirely understandable, and accurate from the writer's perspective. I've been "in the thick" of this situation since the Thackray issue started. I was asked to attend meetings between the RA and the Cllrs as a kind of "neutral observer" at first. When it became clear that Cllrs were attempting to disrupt the RA, I took a side. I will ALWAYS support a community over those in power, especially when those in power hold secret meetings about residents that aren't minuted.



I know. This has nothing to do with Cressingham, it's "Stand Up to Lambeth", which was founded by two wonderful women from Central Hill estate, and attended by people from across the political spectrum - including our own brixtonblade .



My problem is that when we're nice, and "play the game", we don't get support, and while I wouldn't have gone for Cllr Thackray in quite those terms, what was said was accurate. What she did was - by her own admission - to attempt to set up a TRA that excluded the democratically-elected Chair of the existing TRA, on spurious grounds. Rather than mediating, as requested, Cllrs Thackray and Dickson instead decided to help facilitate a coup. Personally, I can see why the Chair of H & MRA was angry, and as someone who was there when he was excluded from the council meeting - again, undemocratically - I'm angry too. There's too much of a democratic deficit in Lambeth already, without Cllrs adding to it, and without people saying "no, you can't have a go at these people, or expose their perfidy if they happen to turn up at an event where you were already going to criticise them".

The comments in reply to David by Hurst and Meath are entirely understandable, and accurate from the writer's perspective. I've been "in the thick" of this situation since the Thackray issue started. I was asked to attend meetings between the RA and the Cllrs as a kind of "neutral observer" at first. When it became clear that Cllrs were attempting to disrupt the RA, I took a side. I will ALWAYS support a community over those in power, especially when those in power hold secret meetings about residents that aren't minuted.



I know. This has nothing to do with Cressingham, it's "Stand Up to Lambeth", which was founded by two wonderful women from Central Hill estate, and attended by people from across the political spectrum - including our own brixtonblade .



My problem is that when we're nice, and "play the game", we don't get support, and while I wouldn't have gone for Cllr Thackray in quite those terms, what was said was accurate. What she did was - by her own admission - to attempt to set up a TRA that excluded the democratically-elected Chair of the existing TRA, on spurious grounds. Rather than mediating, as requested, Cllrs Thackray and Dickson instead decided to help facilitate a coup. Personally, I can see why the Chair of H & MRA was angry, and as someone who was there when he was excluded from the council meeting - again, undemocratically - I'm angry too. There's too much of a democratic deficit in Lambeth already, without Cllrs adding to it, and without people saying "no, you can't have a go at these people, or expose their perfidy if they happen to turn up at an event where you were already going to criticise them".

I really like what Stand Up To Lambeth stand for and are trying to achieve. I like that they're open to talking to anyone that offers a genuine help. And that they dont take shit from people who dont.

There's lots of places where people get quite insular in terms of who they work with so I thought it was refreshing that the event had different groups involved. I thought it was excellent - I missed the film but the discussion was good and it's important in the context of the discussion about Cllr Thackeray to note that one of the recurring themes of the discussion was the importance of TRAs.

I was a little uncofortable with the argument at the event - tbh that's because I find conflict pretty tricky. I understand why emotions run high in this instance - CllR Thackeray decided to attend and should have been prepared to defend her actions re the TRA but I thought she gave a pretty weak explanation. I understnad why the H&MRA reacted. Again - I don't like conflict and shouting but it's an important issue and it's a very raw and personal one for him. I think that context is very important and is context that most of the room had.

 

[Gramsci]

The comments in reply to David by Hurst and Meath are entirely understandable, and accurate from the writer's perspective. I've been "in the thick" of this situation since the Thackray issue started. I was asked to attend meetings between the RA and the Cllrs as a kind of "neutral observer" at first. When it became clear that Cllrs were attempting to disrupt the RA, I took a side. I will ALWAYS support a community over those in power, especially when those in power hold secret meetings about residents that aren't minuted.



I know. This has nothing to do with Cressingham, it's "Stand Up to Lambeth", which was founded by two wonderful women from Central Hill estate, and attended by people from across the political spectrum - including our own brixtonblade .



My problem is that when we're nice, and "play the game", we don't get support, and while I wouldn't have gone for Cllr Thackray in quite those terms, what was said was accurate. What she did was - by her own admission - to attempt to set up a TRA that excluded the democratically-elected Chair of the existing TRA, on spurious grounds. Rather than mediating, as requested, Cllrs Thackray and Dickson instead decided to help facilitate a coup. Personally, I can see why the Chair of H & MRA was angry, and as someone who was there when he was excluded from the council meeting - again, undemocratically - I'm angry too. There's too much of a democratic deficit in Lambeth already, without Cllrs adding to it, and without people saying "no, you can't have a go at these people, or expose their perfidy if they happen to turn up at an event where you were already going to criticise them".

This is interesting but its not the point I was making.

When my friend who atttedend the meeting posted up on the comment section of the Brixton Buzz article he was attacked and vilified.

Accused of being corrupt. The same as Labour Cllrs.

The thrust of it was that it you aren't for us your against us.

When I come in to defend my mate, who has track record of supporting the community, I get questioned. I say I'm a Council tenant. So get asked what kind.

I haven't got the energy to deal with this.

I'm apparently under suspicion for being the wrong kind of Council tenant.

I've seen this before in community issues. Council are supposed to be the main enemy. But if one doesn't tow the line one is treated by community activists in just the same way as Council treat dissenters.

I'm not happy or gloating about this. Reading the comments at end of the Brixton Buzz piece its classic case of how committed community activists can end up treating dissenting individuals in the same way as Council.

I can take it from that Tory Briggs. Tories are cunts. So that is whats expected.

Demolition – is your estate next? Local councillors, housing activists, researchers and journalists discuss Lambeth policy

 

[Gramsci]

The Tory accused me of :

"ideologically driven assumptions"

 

[brixtonblade]

I've just read the latest comments on that page - tried to comment too but not sure it submitted properly. A couple of the comments definitely overstep the mark and the "Maudsley" one is bang out of line. Urban looks positively easy going in comparison.

 

[editor]

I've just read the latest comments on that page - tried to comment too but not sure it submitted properly. A couple of the comments definitely overstep the mark and the "Maudsley" one is bang out of line. Urban looks positively easy going in comparison.

I just approved the second, longer comment of yours. And you're right.

 

[brixtonblade]

I just approved the second, longer comment of yours. And you're right.

ah - didnt realise it was moderated. ta.

 

[Gramsci]

I've just read the latest comments on that page - tried to comment too but not sure it submitted properly. A couple of the comments definitely overstep the mark and the "Maudsley" one is bang out of line. Urban looks positively easy going in comparison.

You can comment. But its not part of the boards. So have to register. I use same email and my name here.

Once done the Brixton Buzz appears to recognise one automatically.

When it asks for name please not real name. Big mistake otherwise. Should really warn one. Criticism of that Brixton Buzz comment section imo that it doesn't warn people. editor

 

[Gramsci]

I just approved the second, longer comment of yours. And you're right.

TBF the latest comment does overstep the mark.

It backs up my post 1372 here.

Someone who has track record of supporting community gets vilified.

Id say its abuse. On issue of mental health.

I have had mental health issues myself.

I'm going to have a go at the the unpleasant bigot who has had a go at my mate.

This is imo prejudice against people with mental health issues.

The troll is Biter of Thorpe.

 

[editor]

Criticism of that Brixton Buzz comment section imo that it doesn't warn people. editor

I don't think I have any control over that, sorry.

ah - didnt realise it was moderated. ta.

Yes, a necessary evil given the amount of spam that comes in every fucking day ->



...and ...

482,755
Blocked malicious login attempts

 

[Gramsci]

I don't think I have any control over that, sorry.


Yes, a necessary evil given the amount of spam that comes in every fucking day ->

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...and ...

Its ok. I know the amount of work you and More put in.

Personally Id rather the comments at end of the Brixton Buzz piece be kept in.

People are really showing themselves up.

Confirming what I have previously said.