DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
What do you assume I want?
Labour leadership
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What do you assume I want?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You're spending a great amount of time telling labour leaders to not be so laboury in case it makes them unelectable. I think you're the classic rhetorically wild but right wing of labour type. May hide as an anarchist.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
He's right. A leader can't be a proper leader until he advocates bombing brown people ffs
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Why do you have a Suriname flag as your avatar?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Why not?
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Just curious! I like flags, some of them are interesting, it's an unusual one!
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Been changing it from time to time after lots of people put the tricolore in their avatars/profiles.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
what flag have you got now?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
The Freedonian one.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
I can't keep up with them, you free-wheeling , globe-trotting internationalist you.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Freedonia is a fictitious place. It's the country in Duck Soup.I can't keep up with them, you free-wheeling , globe-trotting internationalist you.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
gosub
~#
Have the stop the war lot spend the weekend ringing their MP's, and then when they vote to heed France's call to arms, use it as an excuse to start de-selection procedures.
But I don't wear sandals, and think Labour is going to be long term fucked unless UKIP win Oldham and Labour starts to sober up.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
My two penneth on all this, not so much the Syria thing but more generally, is that his leadership is going pretty badly. It was predictable and probably right that he would loosen some of the leader's traditional controls on the party - and the blairites would have gone on the attack even if he hadn't. But the problem is he's a Westminster politician, he does party politics, that's the thing he's engaged in. If that's your game you either do a highly managed, spun, party unity thing - which was never going to be the route he could take - or you come up with some new, inventive way of engaging with the voters. Beyond 'Mandy in High Wycombe would like to ask the prime minister...' he hasn't really done that. I detest Westminster politics, but that's his project and it has to be said he isn't doing it very well.
The one thing that might have come out of his leadership campaign and the big meetings, was a solid social democratic revivalism in Westminster, allied with some sort of class politics beyond Westminster. Linking up more with anti-austerity groups, industrial action, NHS campaigns and the rest. If done well as there was a possibility to do with all the thousands he was attracting, there might have been potential. Such a project to me would have been full of contradictions and conflicts, just as Tony Benn's version from 30 years would have been. However it would have built something and might have been an escape route from being a neo-liberal party.
The one thing that might have come out of his leadership campaign and the big meetings, was a solid social democratic revivalism in Westminster, allied with some sort of class politics beyond Westminster. Linking up more with anti-austerity groups, industrial action, NHS campaigns and the rest. If done well as there was a possibility to do with all the thousands he was attracting, there might have been potential. Such a project to me would have been full of contradictions and conflicts, just as Tony Benn's version from 30 years would have been. However it would have built something and might have been an escape route from being a neo-liberal party.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Presumption on your part.
The thing with "make or break situations" is that invariably you don't know that they were "make or break" until well after the event.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I think its a little too early to judge success or failure of his leadership just yet, theres the eureff to come see how well labour does in mays locals etc. [insert time period here] is a long time in politics and all that
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What are you judging it by. Wilf laid out his terms pretty clearly.What are you going to judge him/it by?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Fair enough in terms of timescales, there's no sign of him having any impact now, but yes in the game of electoral politics you wait till locals, euros to see how the thing is doing. My point is not so much that the initiatives need time to work, it's that I can't see any real initiatives. You'd have thought they might have had some thoughts about opening up local parties, getting out there, thinking about councils and having a strategy over jobs cuts. The whole thing feels very flat and trapped in the Westminster bubble - a game he was never going to win.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
there is that, I see what you are saying about capitalizing on the membership surge/rallies etc to network and organise outside of westminster and there being not much sign of that happening. I think also theres going to be a lot of those new members thoroughly hacked off when a good chunk of his party vote with cameron over bombing, . Pissed off enough to leave or simply become demoralised...couldn't say.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Won't be easy changing local parties and branches, they'll still be run by the same people who ran them pre-Corbyn and (presumably) still be tied into a mindset of focusing on a mixture of top down policy campaigns and local snidery/one-upmanship to win seats. Take a massive cultural and political shift to start becoming something else, becoming a player in working class politics. All that and, in many areas, you have Labour councils actively involved in redundancies and privatisation. Really not easy to change all that. I'm not ultimately a fan of Corbynism/Bennery/Labour Leftism, but if they can't make the party into something else, there's not really much point just trying to play it as a parliamentary game.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Allegra Stratton talking on Newsnight about the Times report on the emerging Blairite coup. Apparently the rightist rebels taken legal advice about the specific mechanics of whether, as incumbent, Corbyn would have the right to contest any leadership challenge. I presume this relates to an anticipated failure to secure enough support from the PLP to reach the threshold for candidature.
Apparently they've been told that Corbyn would have no such right to stand 'as of right' in a kind of roll-over. So emboldened the Blairites are getting prepared for a challenge following Oldham.
Apparently they've been told that Corbyn would have no such right to stand 'as of right' in a kind of roll-over. So emboldened the Blairites are getting prepared for a challenge following Oldham.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
So who do you reckon the candidates will be if a new leadership election is triggered? Whoever's involved it'll be a grey line-up, that's for sure.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Well they won't be Labour, will they?
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Well he dropped out the race last time for 'personal' reasons, so unlikely I reckon. Kendall was trounced so badly that I'd be surprised if she still isn't hiding behind the sofa in embarrassment. I can see Burnham running again though.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Clue; have you heard Chuka being in any way disloyal to Corbyn?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Really? Missed it. What did he say?
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