Kicking Off In Tottenham
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Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
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Plastic Paddy
Good point, it would hasten the violent overthrow of the current system. I assume that's what you had in mind.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's interesting that the focus has turned towards looters and away from the people who were fighting the police. oh - and i'd like to see evidence, if you please, of looters setting people's homes on fire.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
krtek a houby
Against all gods
This is your great contribution to the revolution is it, shrieking and name calling because some people aren't wanking over the idea of wanton destruction?
Can you be more specific please as this could describe the politicians, city traders or rioters thus proving my point.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Gosh, you've not made a single sweeping assumption based on dick-all except your own social prejudices there, have you?
Do we, or are you projecting your own prejudices onto others, assuming that they would agree with you?
SpineyNorman
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Either way it's hard to believe he wouldn't have noticed it 'til he got back to the nick
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
calling you a thick fuck is name calling. pointing out that you're a conservative is, in my view, simply stating the bleeding obvious.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
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Plastic Paddy
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Am I right in thinking that the concept of 'socio-economic context' is a tad too tricky for your poor lil reactionary brain to handle?
If they were anarchists and/or UK Uncut protestors would you feel it necessary to point out their racial backgrounds? If not, why not?
krtek a houby
Against all gods
So, is everyone who is against violence and wanton destruction a tory, then? Silly boy.
Would love you to say that to the people across London sifting through the debris of their communities today.
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Starry Wisdom
because as i pointed out earlier, burning things is not conducive to the pasttime of looting.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Equal opportunity outrage would also require some comparison of, for example, who made more people homeless ...
SpineyNorman
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Not to mention all the posturing keyboard warriors
And tedious moralising wankers.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you're thick as fucking pigshit, you really are. i have already said that i don't mean conservative with a big c as in conservative and unionist party; i mean you're a conservative with a small c.
you even quoted the fucking post you shitferbrains cunt.
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Starry Wisdom
he's a tool anywayAdmit it, Spy.
You're a tool of reaction.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
THE RIOT ‘EXPERTS’ ARE AMONGST US!
http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/the-riot-experts-are-amongst-us/
http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/the-riot-experts-are-amongst-us/
krtek a houby
Against all gods
Yes, yes, the whole world's against you & you're misunderstood. If only more people thought like you did, etc.
Such bitterness. Shouldn't you be out fighting the good fight?
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Plastic Paddy
Well burning out peoples homes isn't conducive to the pastime of "kicking off with the police" either.
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
There is something interesting about the retailers that have been targeted and how they have been hit.
There is a tension between, on the one hand, the desire to expropriate the commodities that are sold to you from day to day (for example JD Sport, H&M, KFC and HMV )with the desire to damage the shop more than is strictly necessary in order to loot it.
Obviously there is a danger of reading too much into this, as other business were effected like the old hairdressers up in Tottenham and to some extent these brands represent what is available on the relevant high streets. Intentionally or otherwise, trashing Nando's and KFC has a symbolic quality, especially when another target would presumably have been more profitable.
It also seems interesting how disorder moved outwards from the edge of the inner city to the suburbs more readily than towards the centre of the inner city. Again, there is a danger of reading too much into this. Specifically, Mark Duggan's killing happened to trigger events in Haringey in a particular way that make it unwise to make sweeping generalisations. However, we may be going through a period of transformation in our cities where they gentrification of the centre will be reinforced by the crisis (cf. Tory policy statements on housing benefit in central London). I would guess that in the past recessions have been more associated with a middle class retreat to the suburbs or further afield in London. There is clearly an attempt to make London more like Paris, where the affluent centre is sheltered from rage of the banlieue ('suburb'). I think this could be a seen as a moment of conflict that may determine if this process proceeds unhindered.
It is hard, if not impossible, to explain why trouble didn't spread to Hackney. Factors may include the Hackney One Festival being cancelled. The police have made a recent show of strength with mass arrests on the Penbury estate and were making their presence felt last night. It could just be 'happenstance'. But the successful gentrification of Haggerston, Stoke Newington, Lower Clapton etc. also seems to be a factor.
Edit to add that Imention Hackney specifically as: (a) I know Hackney, (b) it is an example of heading in rather than out of town.
There is a tension between, on the one hand, the desire to expropriate the commodities that are sold to you from day to day (for example JD Sport, H&M, KFC and HMV )with the desire to damage the shop more than is strictly necessary in order to loot it.
Obviously there is a danger of reading too much into this, as other business were effected like the old hairdressers up in Tottenham and to some extent these brands represent what is available on the relevant high streets. Intentionally or otherwise, trashing Nando's and KFC has a symbolic quality, especially when another target would presumably have been more profitable.
It also seems interesting how disorder moved outwards from the edge of the inner city to the suburbs more readily than towards the centre of the inner city. Again, there is a danger of reading too much into this. Specifically, Mark Duggan's killing happened to trigger events in Haringey in a particular way that make it unwise to make sweeping generalisations. However, we may be going through a period of transformation in our cities where they gentrification of the centre will be reinforced by the crisis (cf. Tory policy statements on housing benefit in central London). I would guess that in the past recessions have been more associated with a middle class retreat to the suburbs or further afield in London. There is clearly an attempt to make London more like Paris, where the affluent centre is sheltered from rage of the banlieue ('suburb'). I think this could be a seen as a moment of conflict that may determine if this process proceeds unhindered.
It is hard, if not impossible, to explain why trouble didn't spread to Hackney. Factors may include the Hackney One Festival being cancelled. The police have made a recent show of strength with mass arrests on the Penbury estate and were making their presence felt last night. It could just be 'happenstance'. But the successful gentrification of Haggerston, Stoke Newington, Lower Clapton etc. also seems to be a factor.
Edit to add that Imention Hackney specifically as: (a) I know Hackney, (b) it is an example of heading in rather than out of town.
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