temper_tantrum
The beauty of the ride
So actual journalistic sources are posting (on Twitter) actual attributable assertions of stuff happening in Brixton now. Anyone confirm?
Kicking Off In Tottenham
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We're a fragmented society and have been for centuries, so while all this may be horrifying and sad, it's just humanity doing its thing. The most destructive species on Earth.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Some reports now coming in of youths throwing bottles at police in Brixton. From a reporter on the ground.
http://twitter.com/#!/andrew_hough
And I need to go to the shop.
So why can't you go to the shop?
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Matthew Taylor (a Guardian journo) has been posting from Brixton
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
My fucking word but that's badly-written shite. The police use JHPs: Jacketed Hollow-Point bullets, designed so as to minimise fragmentation.
The original "Dum-Dum" bullets, using poorly-made steel molds for the cast bullets, had hollows in the nose of the lead that caused them to fragment.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
can someone call me if it kicks off anywhere i can a new mixer?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
hence the poor man's dum dum made by filing the point
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Would a ricochet while shooting someone who was lying down in the road (as some eye-witnesses appear to have claimed) be at all plausible?
Treacle Toes
Time
Yeah, thats what I posted on the last page...in touch with a mate that lives above the shops in the market. She is scared and packing a bag to leave.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Mor
e badly-written shite. The Old Bill don't use the auto-fire only variant of the MP5 (which can be accurately called a "sub-machine gun), they use the MP5K, the carbine variant with selective fire that can be set by an armourer for semi-auto only (I'm fairly sure that the armed coppers will have been using semi-auto only). It's bloody difficult to fire a two round burst from an MP5 set for full auto.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
apparently something happening round white city (i refuse to call it westfield)
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
which area you talking about. tottenham has big main road with lots of side streets and broadwater farm, amongst other social housing. enfield is a more traditional town centre if you like, cross roads and main street, estates on the outskirts. similar levels of poverty and deprivation.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
That's better!
Why does it not seem reasonable to suppose that the rioters were in common cause? The video posted here and on other sites seems to show that the target of the rioters attacks were the police, they had that in common didn't they? When they looted and burned shops they seemed to have a common endeavour didn't they? As they queued to ransack JJB sports and Comet they seemed of one mind!
Tonight in Enfield, what is the excuse?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think the met only have semi-auto so they don't kill all their mates in one lovely burst
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Metropolitan police commander Adrian Hanstock said they had "not anticipated" the extreme level of violence. "Last night's peaceful demonstration was hijacked by a small number of criminal elements, who used that for their own gain
He leads the Met, so he should know.
He leads the Met, so he should know.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
9mm at close range? I've seen it happen off of the treble-course brick wall at my old range, so I certainly wouldn't rule it out.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
we've had sirens and helicopters all night, a10 is red hot this evening.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the met have been shit at this public order business since broadhurst took over; i understand he's been sent off to do something with the olympics, which he'll no doubt make as big a fuck up of
Some reports now coming in of youths throwing bottles at police in Brixton. From a reporter on the ground.
http://twitter.com/#!/andrew_hough
And I need to go to the shop.
You're closest, go down and have a look.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
So fuck me, the bullet in the radio was from a cop gun. Fancy that - the cops putting out missleading information having just killed somebody.
Why do so many people fail to take everything the cops say in these situations with a massive dose of salt. They are entirely consistant in their bullshit.
With regards to the rioting - its eerily similar to what happened in the early 80s - a lot of pissed off youth, high unemployment, widespread distrust and hostility to the cops then one incident kicks it all off. We've even had simialar bullshit about this all being 'pre-planned' - just like in 81.
A spell of hot weather and this could grow and spread over the next few weeks.
Take care anyone who's out there caught up in it.
Why do so many people fail to take everything the cops say in these situations with a massive dose of salt. They are entirely consistant in their bullshit.
With regards to the rioting - its eerily similar to what happened in the early 80s - a lot of pissed off youth, high unemployment, widespread distrust and hostility to the cops then one incident kicks it all off. We've even had simialar bullshit about this all being 'pre-planned' - just like in 81.
A spell of hot weather and this could grow and spread over the next few weeks.
Take care anyone who's out there caught up in it.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
there are no excuses, just reasons. and there are many reasons. anger at the police, despair at being let down yet again by a government that only cares for their rich mates, the feeling by youths that they have nothing left to lose....
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
I have been to the shop. I am now back from the shop.
The last riot I nipped to the shop to find out what was happening as a lot of people had suddenly appeared on acre lane. By the time I was leaving the shop a few mins later there were riot vans outside too and it was kicking off.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
hearing a lot more now - can't see there being any rioting in Upper Clapton - the shops are all shite.
SpineyNorman
Inappropriate content removed
So if I was in the pub with you and a bloke came along and told us he had some invisible, intangible gold for sale and you took your wallet out to buy some, prompting me to call you a fucking idiot, would that be me throwing "abuse at people I don't agree with" too? Only that's on pretty much the same level as what you did.
I mean, this is essentially the story you fell for: "there was an armed, dangerous gangster in a taxi - he tried to shoot a brave, armed copper but fortunately the bullet lodged in his radio without him noticing, despite the fucking massive bruise he would inevitably have received as a consequence, which saved his life. So they were forced to shoot him in the face, twice, while he was on the ground".
You've basically claimed a man who has been executed without trial deserved it, despite the fact he didn't actually fire a single bullet. Where I come from that's considered a bit of a cunt's trick. That's not me abusing you because we disagree - that's me calling you a cunt because you're a cunt.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
Nipsla and memespring are closest. I've had no radio contact from them for hours.
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