Keir Starmer's time is up

[PTK]

Is it possible to bet on the next election yet? Curious what odds I'd get on less than 100 seats for Labour.

Ask Ladbroke's. It seems to prepared to take such bets.
I think you will lose your bet. I think the turnout will be low at the next General Election, but the Labour Party will not go below 100 seats.

 

[PTK]

No sign yet of the More Efficient Government than the tories that we were promised

You'd think there are loads of opportunities to make society fairer without even spending government money. Rent controls for example could be a great leveler, but of course there are so many landlords in parliament so that won't happen.

Well, rent controls was not in the Manifesto, so it would be undemocratic to introduce something that people have not voted for. Rent controls would not only be of benefit to both workers and employers, they would lead to lower state exependiture on Housing Benefit.

 

[ska invita]

Well, rent controls was not in the Manifesto, so it would be undemocratic to introduce something that people have not voted for. Rent controls would not only be of benefit to both workers and employers, they would lead to lower state exependiture on Housing Benefit.

was banning smoking in pub gardens in the manifesto?

 

[PTK]

Didn't Tony Blair's lot introduced something like 25000 new laws between 1997 and 2008? Or is that just some conspiracy crap I picked up at the time? I haven't checked - but there's a BBC page listing all the Acts passed between 1997 and 2006 and it's mind-bogglingly long...

BBC NEWS | Politics | Acts passed during the Blair years

I certainly expect more of the same from an ex-DPP

Do not all governments pass laws? Is that part of what they see as their job? Are not a lot of these laws simply, in theory, improving existing laws?

 

[PTK]

was banning smoking in pub gardens in the manifesto?

I don't know. I will look it up.

 

[ska invita]

I don't know. I will look it up.

it wasnt

 

[mojo pixy]

Do not all governments pass laws? Is that part of what they see as their job? Are not a lot of these laws simply, in theory, improving existing laws?

Maybe, but whatever they were, Blair's government/s passed a record number from what I recall. Possibly by quite a large margin, too.

 

[PTK]

". Labourwill ensure the next generation cannever legally buy cigarettes andensure all hospitals integrate ‘optout’ smoking cessation interventionsinto routine care. Labour will banvapes from being branded andadvertised to appeal to children to stop the next generation frombecoming hooked on nicotine"
Nothing about banning smoking in the open air.

 

[Artaxerxes]

We probably need a Labour government thread to discuss silly policy at this point

Teachers to get more trustworthy AI tech as generative tools learn from new bank of lesson plans and curriculums, helping them mark homework and save time

The UK government announced a new project today that will enhance AI's ability to assist teachers in marking work and planning lessons.

www.gov.uk

 

[rasputin]

Party manifestos have no legal or constitutional standing. If a policy was absent from the manifesto, it may (but in practice is unlikely to) influence whether that policy gets parliamentary support when enacted into law.

 

[lazythursday]

Party manifestos have no legal or constitutional standing. If a policy was absent from the manifesto, it may (but in practice is unlikely to) influence whether that policy gets parliamentary support when enacted into law.

isn't there a House of Lords convention that the Lords doesn't try to block measures that were in the manifesto? Which just means it can take longer for non-manifesto policies to wind their way through the system into law.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

isn't there a House of Lords convention that the Lords doesn't try to block measures that were in the manifesto? Which just means it can take longer for non-manifesto policies to wind their way through the system into law.

Yes, there is. Like a lot in the UK system, it's not written down anywhere but it's quite a strong convention. Seen as undemocratic of the Lords to block manifesto commitments.

 

[Mr Retro]

Banning smoking to “protect the NHS”. Where have we heard that recently?

 

[Pickman's model]

Banning smoking to “protect the NHS”. Where have we heard that recently?

on the news just now

 

[gosub]

Banning smoking to “protect the NHS”. Where have we heard that recently?

Smoking raises about as much in duty as its estimated it cost costs the NHS. Charity parachute jumps cost the NHS 3 times the money they raise

 

[gosub]

No sign yet of the More Efficient Government than the tories that we were promised

You'd think there are loads of opportunities to make society fairer without even spending government money. Rent controls for example could be a great leveler, but of course there are so many landlords in parliament so that won't happen.

It's August. Not the month to get stuff done.

Rent controls now ended up here in Scotland....leading to the inevitable massive rent hikes

 

[two sheds]

Rent controls now ended up here in Scotland....leading to the inevitable massive rent hikes

They've ended so leading to a massive rent hike? Sounds like they were a good idea and shouldn't have been ended really

 

[weltweit]

Smoking raises about as much in duty as its estimated it cost costs the NHS. Charity parachute jumps cost the NHS 3 times the money they raise

IMO smoking taxes raise many times over what smoking costs the NHS.

Years ago I did the calculation, and since then smoking taxes have gone way up.

 

[Pickman's model]

IMO smoking taxes raise many times over what smoking costs the NHS.

Years ago I did the calculation, and since then smoking taxes have gone way up.

But is that measure the right one? Is the cost to the nhs the only cost to society?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Number of smokers has gone down though

 

[Pickman's model]

Number of smokers has gone down though

Utterly irrelevant

 

[weltweit]

But is that measure the right one? Is the cost to the nhs the only cost to society?

There are other benefits to society, including reduced state pension because smokers die earlier.

 

[Pickman's model]

There are other benefits to society, including reduced state pension because smokers die earlier.

A poor response given I asked about costs

 

[belboid]

IMO smoking taxes raise many times over what smoking costs the NHS.

Years ago I did the calculation, and since then smoking taxes have gone way up.

absolute bollocks

 

[Larry O'Hara]

he was in germany yesterday....gave a speech. Guess what, he's going to stop the rise of the far right - when pressed on how exactly he answered:
"I do think in the end, delivery is the way forward. It’s about a disaffection in politics, the easy answer is appealing if people don’t think there’s a better answer, and so progressives have to provide the better answer.”

"delivery is the way forward" ... Delivery..... Meaningless managerial bullshit....Clueless indeed. He wouldn't know the "better answer" if it was written on a card in front of him.

Historically, the far right grows under social democratic governments. Inasmuch as Starmer is of that ilk, and bereft of a positive vision, there is nothing he can ‘deliver’ that will prevent this.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

absolute bollocks

We're saving far more lives than we otherwise could because of those smokers who voluntarily lay down their lives for their friends.

 

[GarveyLives]

Starmer heaps praise on Thatcher as he woos Conservative voters

"My party extends the hand of friendship to those who voted for the Tories but feel let down by their failure to act ..."​

Voters have been betrayed on Brexit and immigration. I stand ready to deliver

He can always put this one up instead.​

 

[andysays]

But is that measure the right one? Is the cost to the nhs the only cost to society?

The financial cost to the NHS isn't the only financial cost to society and, as I think your post was intended to suggest, the financial cost isn't the only cost to society as a whole.

But I think the net financial cost to society and the way that reductions in the number of people smoking affect that cost are both factors that governments would be interested in calculating, if only because measures to reduce smoking might increase those net costs, at least in the short to medium term

 

[stavros]

Ah good, he's passing the "hated-by-the-Daily-Mail" test.

That said the Mail hates everything at some point, including itself.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Not sure which thread to post this on. But this is the kind of shite popping up in my YouTube feed. And it is certainly not the kind of things I search for.
This is external influence of some kind. Just a shame, in this post truth world, we have no idea where from.