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Keir Starmer's time is up

magneze said:
Meet the alternative government, as useless as the current government it appears. I thought competence was meant to be his thing?
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It is. It’s literally the only dividing line left - now the £28bn green jobs pledge is being dumped - between the parties.

Same spending plans, same desire to ‘reform’ public services, same reification of the neo liberal orthodoxy and the same prostration before the free market.

Labour’s last dividing line is their pledge to manage the state’s affairs more effectively than the Tories. Their programme even more timid and lacking in ambition that Blair’s. Some feat.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
It is. It’s literally the only dividing line left - now the £28bn green jobs pledge is being dumped - between the parties.

Same spending plans, same desire to ‘reform’ public services, same reification of the neo liberal orthodoxy and the same prostration before the free market.

Labour’s last dividing line is their pledge to manage the state’s affairs more effectively than the Tories. Their programme even more timid and lacking in ambition that Blair’s. Some feat.
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And shammer's announcement in the same bbc news bulletin as a report that last year was 1.5º above pre-industrial levels. His timing is impeccable

Reports of his competence are sadly exaggerated
 
Well it's looking rather like Reeves and co are in charge these days with Starmer merely the pompous figurehead. Imagine Miliband will be forced out next.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
It is. It’s literally the only dividing line left - now the £28bn green jobs pledge is being dumped - between the parties.

Same spending plans, same desire to ‘reform’ public services, same reification of the neo liberal orthodoxy and the same prostration before the free market.

Labour’s last dividing line is their pledge to manage the state’s affairs more effectively than the Tories. Their programme even more timid and lacking in ambition that Blair’s. Some feat.
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I fear for the election after next if Labour have not managed to improve much of anything. Who knows where we end up then.
 
magneze said:
I fear for the election after next if Labour have not managed to improve much of anything. Who knows where we end up then.
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Yes. As I have said before Starmer's historical role is to usher in. Much like Callaghan and Healey were the precursors to Thatcher and neo-liberalism, the next Labour Government will be final act for the past 45 years and the warm up for what's coming next.... and guess what, it's not social democracy.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
Yes. As I have said before Starmer's historical role is to usher in. Much like Callaghan and Healey were the precursors to Thatcher and neo-liberalism, the next Labour Government will be final act for the past 45 years and the warm up for what's coming next.... and guess what, it's not social democracy.
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barbarism
 
Dystopiary said:
More of the same:



Starmer to scale back home insulation scheme as part of green policy U-turn
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This is so insanely depressing. This stuff has to happen - and has loads of additional benefits as well as carbon savings. But it won't get going without upfront, stable government investment to create the required skills / infrastructure apart from anything else.

And there are knock-on effects of not doing this, given there is both a legal duty on progress to net zero and international commitments. If you don't focus on domestic emissions (a big chunk) then you have to get the savings elsewhere. And that likely means having to focus on transport and agriculture / land use, both of which are far more politically contentious.
 
lazythursday said:
This is so insanely depressing. This stuff has to happen - and has loads of additional benefits as well as carbon savings. But it won't get going without upfront, stable government investment to create the required skills / infrastructure apart from anything else.

And there are knock-on effects of not doing this, given there is both a legal duty on progress to net zero and international commitments. If you don't focus on domestic emissions (a big chunk) then you have to get the savings elsewhere. And that likely means having to focus on transport and agriculture / land use, both of which are far more politically contentious.
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the knock-on effect that will really affect shammer is that he has removed pretty much every reason for voting labour other than they are not sunak's crew. corbyn is almost universally blamed for the labour result in 2019, but shammer's europe policy - in the 'get brexit done' election - played a greater part in the fiasco than he'll ever admit
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They appear to be repeating the Blair govt's fallacies and obsession with reducing government debt over all other things as if that were a good in and of itself. It's not, and as the Blair/Brown years showed, if government doesn't borrow, the private sector has to, and we all know where that ended up last time.

Government debt for infrastructure investment produces returns. It's stable and sustainable and should be encouraged, and governments can borrow more cheaply than anyone else, so it creates the smallest flow upwards of wealth that you can have.

A Starmer government is more or less guaranteed to see wealth channelled upwards, perhaps even more quickly than a Tory government.

It's all incredibly depressing. And as said above, this stuff needs doing. This is the easy stuff to do.
 
Karl Masks said:
Starmer's body language makes me a little cynical. He clearly overplayed his outrage. But I do think broadly it was genuine. That doesn't justify the transphobia that exists among his own ranks of course. Nicola Sturgeon was right, though. Had Mrs Ghey not been present, he wouldn't have commented on the transphobic joke.

Badenoch's disgstusting response is pure cycnism and veiled bigotry. Implying it's cynical per se to point out transphobia is itself exploiting the situation for personal gain. She is a horror
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Starmer would have been provided with Sunak's answer in advance, so it was not spontaneous reaction.
 
He's just done a "making the best of it" tweet, talking about their Green plan and new jobs and stuff. Dont know how he has the gall to be quite honest.

I mean, I'm hugely fucking cynical and wrote us off as a species about ten years ago but fucking hell, none of this is making me reconsider.
 
bemused said:
Neither of the two big parties seem to have any big ideas how to invest in Britain. Not that this U-turn is going to change anything the current government have an endless list of them themselves.
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They don't have any ideas on how to invest in Britain because to do so would be to go against the consistent policy of both parties (bar the Corbyn interregnum) for at least the past forty years.

The idea that you would put in taxpayer money to generate returns (or savings and returns in many cases) for the taxpayer is heretical to these people; just allowing that to happen would cause the entire structure of PFI, outsourcing, contracting-in-expertise, procurement, internal markets and all the rest to collapse. Hundreds of senior people would be up before the beak; billions of ill-gotten gains would be seized.
 
Some of the Green budget was earmarked for flood defence...which look like they needed the boost



Despite the government doubling its capital funding in England to £5.2bn to combat the danger of flooding, a quarter of new flood defence projects will now not go ahead. The Environment Agency (EA) has blamed inflation for the cuts in protection.
www.theguardian.com

Flood protection plans for English homes cut by 40%

Quarter of new flood defence projects will also not go ahead, NAO finds, as Environment Agency blames cuts on inflation
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unearthed.greenpeace.org

Thousands of England’s flood defences were in poor condition before storms hit

New analysis of Environment Agency data shows over 4,000 crucial flood defences in sub–par condition in 2022
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Of England’s 64,000 “high consequence” flood defences, 4,200 were rated as either condition 4, meaning poor, or 5, meaning very poor, in 2022. This means that 7% of the country’s most important flood defences are deemed to be in a poor state, according to data obtained under freedom of information rules. Nearly 900 of the defences – 1.3% of the total – were judged to be in very poor condition.




*living 50yrds from 1 river and 400yrds from another, major arguement going on about upgrading flood defenses..meanwhile houses being built by the 1000s upstream
 
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gosub said:
Tbf and to avoid any chaos and confusion that is dated over six months ago and is just a tweet.. .its not like its written in stone or anything
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Still, if he had any integrity, he would resign over this. The UK economy isn't in a worse state than it was six months ago. If anything, it is slightly better.
 
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