Keir Starmer's time is up

[tommers]

Haha it says "parodiya" in Russian script next to it.

 

[Calamity1971]

This is a parody account, is it not?

Yep. She hates supertanksiii

 

[planetgeli]

This is a parody account, is it not?

Yes. Note @supertankiii with a missing s

 

[teqniq]

I mean tbf Supertanskii is also basically a parody account.

She blocked me and yes I should have realised the above is parody.

 

[Gramsci]

Not having a go at any particular poster here but Twitter is something that is now so full of crap that unless the poster is someone well known ( Like say Owen Jones, news outlets like BBC or Al Jazeera or my local Cllrs) I just steer clear of it.

I do not even post on twitter now. As much as a lot of internet is good its also full of poisonous stuff.

Listened to World Service programme recently about the amount of fake political accounts that are orchestrated to look good and reel people in who are otherwise well intentioned. Its a bit scary to be honest. As it can distort the real discussion.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

She blocked me and yes I should have realised the above is parody.

It would've been nice if it was true, though.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I mean a lot of Tories want to get rid of Sunak. Maybe they could swap.

 

[andysays]

I mean a lot of Tories want to get rid of Sunak. Maybe they could swap.

Not sure anyone would notice any difference, TBH

 

[gosub]

Not sure anyone would notice any difference, TBH

Keith has a better taylor

 

[nino_savatte]

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She has a reputation for being cold and remote. This image reinforces that.

The image accompanies this article in which she says her "mum showed her how to balance the books at the kitchen table". This idea that public finances can be compared to domestic finances persists, despite the fact that it's been shown to be logically fallacious and reductive time and time again.

'We weren't poor but we didn't have money to spare and she wanted to make sure that everything added up,' Reeves recalls. 'I remember sitting there at the kitchen table and saying, “What are you doing?” and her explaining to me. I've always felt that it's really important to look after your own money.

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[teqniq]

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I got Adams family vibes from it. It's kinda like Morticia decided to go for a job interview as head of HR

 

[lazythursday]

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And of course she's not got a great track record at the basic finance stuff either, having had her parliamentary credit card removed for racking up 4K of disallowed spending.

 

[two sheds]

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Looks like a toilet attendant.

 

[andysays]

I got Adams family vibes from it. It's kinda like Morticia decided to go for a job interview as head of HR

I genuinely thought

"why has nino_savatte posted a photo of Angelica Huston on the Starmer thread?"

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Looks like a toilet attendant.

Which she kind of is in a sense.

 

[Elpenor]

She seems to be channeling “super mum” investment manager Nicola Horlick vibes to me

But as above, it’s her economic policy and ideas that are the problem

 

[Serge Forward]

I got Adams family vibes from it. It's kinda like Morticia decided to go for a job interview as head of HR

Aw, don't say that. I had a crush on Carolyn Jones as Morticia when I was a kid. You've just ruined a happy childhood memory

 

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Doesn't she present Strictly and The Traitors?

 

[steeplejack]

Acknowledging the twitter health warning above, some centrist red meat for those seeking to unseat Shur Kieth here:



Not perhaps a ‘go home & prepare for government’ hostage to fortune, but…

 

[agricola]

Is there a John Woodcock thread?

UK ministers consider ban on MPs engaging with pro-Palestine and climate protesters

Plans call for ‘zero-tolerance approach’ to groups such as Palestine Solidarity Campaign and Just Stop Oil

www.theguardian.com

 

[Raheem]

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She looks like a supply teacher who's been tasked with keeping an eye on students getting changed for swimming.

 

[two sheds]

And corbyn's social democracy was of the slightest pink and tepid version possible

Indeed, and still not permissible.

 

[Gramsci]

Is there a John Woodcock thread?

UK ministers consider ban on MPs engaging with pro-Palestine and climate protesters

Plans call for ‘zero-tolerance approach’ to groups such as Palestine Solidarity Campaign and Just Stop Oil

www.theguardian.com

Could go on the Palestine solidarity demo thread.

The ex Labour Lord who did the review says this in the Sun

For too long, too many who have the privilege of making our laws have seen extreme, highly disruptive protests as a vital expression of democracy rather than the truth – that they are a threat to it. It is time to reset the balance and put our prized liberal democracy first

He lumps together PSC/ Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebelion

Also says this is Sun

In it, I am asking the leader of every mainstream political party to take a zero tolerance approach to the menace that is threatening our democracy.

So Rishi and Keir should instruct their MPs and councillors not to engage with anyone from the PSC until they get they get their house in order and cut the hate from their marches.

Leaving aside Just Stop Oil and Extinction rebellion who are into direct action.

PSC are mainstream type lobby group who do demos and picket say Barclays bank as part of BDS campaign.

They do everything within the law.

I know some of them as attend marches with my local PSC group.

That a ex Labour Lord can say this about PSC is appalling.

To add Starmer did initially instruct MPs and Cllrs to not attend any demos. This , due to large public outrage on Gaza , did not work.

Starmer tried the zero tolerance approach.

So MPs from Socialist Campaign Group attended marches after a while.

PSC imo ( and not a criticism) is typically boring mainstream lobby group. Kind of thing I'm familiar with and support.

To be told I'm part of the problem does not surprise me

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

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Those photos, there's three of them that look like they're from the same photoshoot, although no photographer is credited, are awful, terrible lighting, dreadful/unflattering camera angles, one looks mugshot-ish.

Either the journalist who wrote the article was told to take a few snaps with their phone, or a professional photographer seemingly really disliked her.

 

[two sheds]

As to whether he was out of his depth... I'm afraid that one of the requirements of leadership is managing both the press and your own party. He did not show any sort of ability for either of those. I liked his policies, for the most part, but that's only a small part of the job of leader.

Could anyone with his policies have managed the press? The Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc would have found something to froth at the mouth about just about any "left-leaning" Labour leader (as we've seen).

Enough Labour MPs seemed happy enough to play along with the antisemitic accusations just to stuff him, and I don't think many people would have predicted that the GLU who were actually responsible for handling the antisemitic complaints would screw them up and delay them so thoroughly to make Corbyn out as the antisemitic one. (That's what happened isn't it? I'm not up to that part of the Forde Report yet).

With that lot stacked against him I don't think it was a sign of weakness that he failed. He was largely fucked because he was keeping to Labour party procedures because he believed in being democratic about it.

 

[Gramsci]

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For my sins I read the whole Telegraph article.

She has given Telegraph access to her and her friends for a series of articles.

This one does seem to me that she is aiming it at Telegraph readers. Making her sound like she comes from the same kind of background as Margaret Thatcher.

The bit about her mother going through carefully what they spend every week and how that influences her outlook now is straight out of Thatcher handbag view.

This of course is carefully choreographed picture to entice centrist Tory voters

Looking at her education she must know that equating household economics with the State is bollocks.

Thing that got me is that Labour party is so respectable and boring it just does not inspire me. It might work on Tory voter who thinks the Tory party has lost its way but for me it has no appeal.

 

[Chz]

Could anyone with his policies have managed the press? The Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc would have found something to froth at the mouth about just about any "left-leaning" Labour leader (as we've seen).

Enough Labour MPs seemed happy enough to play along with the antisemitic accusations just to stuff him, and I don't think many people would have predicted that the GLU who were actually responsible for handling the antisemitic complaints would screw them up and delay them so thoroughly to make Corbyn out as the antisemitic one. (That's what happened isn't it? I'm not up to that part of the Forde Report yet).

With that lot stacked against him I don't think it was a sign of weakness that he failed. He was largely fucked because he was keeping to Labour party procedures because he believed in being democratic about it.

Agree to disagree there. The press has been hostile to even centrist Labour for forever. If you can't deal with that, you're not fit for the job. And his main problem wasn't sticking to the rules, it was refusing to believe that friendly faces could in fact fall foul of them. He had a soft spot for his supporters - laudable, in many cases, but not a good look at the time for the leader of the party.

Now, was there anyone better at the time? Probably not. The talent pool is more of a murky puddle. That doesn't mean he was suited for the job either, though.

 

[Pickman's model]

I find the notion that all he needed to do was purge the right wing and 2019 would his laughable. He struggled to overcome Theresa May. There was not a hope in hell against Johnson. Much as I think Boris is a joke of a grifter, the public didn't see it that way. He'd have annihilated Starmer too.

As to whether he was out of his depth... I'm afraid that one of the requirements of leadership is managing both the press and your own party. He did not show any sort of ability for either of those. I liked his policies, for the most part, but that's only a small part of the job of leader.

i think your recollection of the 2017 election is rather poor. no one expected labour to do as well as they did, and she had to give the dup £1bn to ensure their votes to maintain the government in office. the likes of clement attlee, tony blair or a youngish harold wilson - or a thatcher, macmillan or churchill - would have struggled if opposed, as corbyn was, by most of their parliamentary colleagues. if it hadn't been for the european policy proponded by one keithly shammer and the daft decision to launch a new policy every day of the campaign then corbyn would have done much better in 2019, even if he might not have won. but bringing a second referendum proposal to the get brexit done election was always going to end poorly.

 

[Chz]

if it hadn't been for the european policy proponded by one keithly shammer and the daft decision to launch a new policy every day of the campaign then corbyn would have done much better in 2019

I think that's fantasy. The problem was the lack of a policy. Changing it every other day didn't help matters, but there was no way forward because even the Left of the party couldn't agree on something.

As for 2017, the internal party politics weren't external at that point. It didn't affect the vote any. Corbyn did very well, I think, but a united Labour Party would still have lost that election.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think that's fantasy. The problem was the lack of a policy. Changing it every other day didn't help matters, but there was no way forward because even the Left of the party couldn't agree on something.

As for 2017, the internal party politics weren't external at that point. It didn't affect the vote any. Corbyn did very well, I think, but a united Labour Party would still have lost that election.

the ipp weren't external in 2017? you ought to read the corbyn's time is up thread to refresh your memory, which appears to have deteriorated