Keir Starmer's time is up
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Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Yeah it’s not like Labour struggle to win votes in London; and didn’t lose a critical block of seats in the post industrial north in 2019
I’m now wondering if this was a rather desperate attempt by Mandelson to appear relevant and throw some digs at unions and drop the woke bomb that boomers seem to favour when they have no other response
TopCat
Putin fanboy
They will assert this.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
'Woke activists and militant trade unions' was exactly the shit attack line Liz Truss was using in PMQs last week as a last desperate attempt to hold things together while everything fell down around her ears. Pretty much word for word. It's like they're still running scared of the weakest PM ever even after she's been booted out.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
Quiet bat people
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
teqniq
DisMembered
This is pretty damning:
www.voice-online.co.uk
‘Labour is taking the black vote for granted’
Keir Starmer’s party watered-down efforts to tackle anti-black racism, according to a whistleblower who says she was sacked for speaking out
www.voice-online.co.uk
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Yes, I’m going to post a Tweet. I’m post this because it has an interview with Starmer, and it confirms that he’s a fucking idiot.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
The passive voice tense should be banned.
maomao
普費斯
It's not a tense.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
well whatever it is, it stinks
maomao
普費斯
Where did he use it?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
It was used.
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
steveseagull
Well-Known Member
Keith has tanked Labour's polling
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
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steveseagull
Well-Known Member
I think it is a case of Tories who were not going to vote Tory under Truss and stay at home. Not sure the poll leads were down to anyone finding the brycreamed wonder an attractive option.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Starmer really is a clown if this is true Voters choose Sunak’s Tories over Labour to repair economy, new poll reveals
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
yes - opinion polls always need to be treated with a bit of caution
when the tories are unpopular, you get people who don't want to admit they will still vote for the twunts (see polls for the 1992 election for example)
and when someone who normally votes for one party is pissed off with them, they are more likely to say they won't at an opinion poll (and to a lesser extent likely to not vote, or do a protest vote at local or - in the past euro - elections) than to actually vote for 'the other lot' come a 'real' election
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Labour's leads are pretty much in free fall:
Suppose the interesting bit is where they end up, whether it's lower than the 10-15% leads they had under johnson. That the voters think the leader of a party who has just fucked the economy could be a better alternative than sensible kieth speaks volumes (about kieth).
Suppose the interesting bit is where they end up, whether it's lower than the 10-15% leads they had under johnson. That the voters think the leader of a party who has just fucked the economy could be a better alternative than sensible kieth speaks volumes (about kieth).
Sunak managed to get himself a reputation as Mr Sensible largely because he was the only Tory candidate not batshit crazy enough to claim he could lower taxes when the economy is in free fall. There are plenty of dyed-in-the-wool middle-shire spreadsheet-worker Tory supporters that totally turned on the Truss government and would genuinely have given boring Kieth a chance. Now, they’ve breathed a sigh of relief and turned back to Sunak, thinking the grown-ups are back in charge.
What happens next is therefore critical. If Sunak carries on the culture war obsessions, spooks capital and turns to the right, the Truss slide will probably resume. If, however, he turns into John Major then he has a chance of retaining his core support against a completely uninspiring opponent.
What happens next is therefore critical. If Sunak carries on the culture war obsessions, spooks capital and turns to the right, the Truss slide will probably resume. If, however, he turns into John Major then he has a chance of retaining his core support against a completely uninspiring opponent.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Labour's leads are pretty much in free fall:
Suppose the interesting bit is where they end up, whether it's lower than the 10-15% leads they had under johnson. That the voters think the leader of a party who has just fucked the economy could be a better alternative than sensible kieth speaks volumes (about kieth).
I suppose it depends on what Sunak actually delivers - if its more zany and bent incompetence of the May / Johnson / Truss type then the big lead will persist.
If he actually looks like he is making an effort to deal with things fairly, doesn't needlessly wind up the unions nor seek to divide the populace and it appears to work then I could even see them getting a better result vs Kieth in 2024 than they did in 2019 vs Corbs. What would Labour's platform be if dull managerial realism is already taken?
People did actually like Corbs, after all.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
and start wearing aertex y-fronts?
gosub
~#
Rug pull
And not a lot Sunak can do about it, but at least he attempts to understand what he is talking about which may come in handy in a PM
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
The other factor here is the play between the "Red Wall" and Home Counties seats. I think Sunak is going to stabilise the Tory vote in the latter which was damaged by Johnson and Truss. I'm more skeptical that he will appeal to voters in Hartlepool or Ashfield, in the same way that Johnson did.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
God this is depressing. Even if the alternative is Starmerism, I'll take that over yet another tory win
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