Keir Starmer's time is up

[Rimbaud]

Most of the time discussing politics on Urban is a complete waste of time due to the fact that the politics of most of you on here is absolute dogshit. The majority of you are liberals or statists of one type or another meaning that you are really no different to conservatives and are reactionary in your own way - more so than you will ever realise. And alot of you are actually very narrow minded people who stubbornly insist on clinging on to failed politics that has achieved fuck all and that you should have moved on from to try alternatives. You've stuck with politics that has actually done much more harm than good and you keep going down a path that has repeatedly failed. But it doesn't really matter because you're just a tiny, irrelevant, small minded clique who have achieved fuck all and will continue to do just that. Too many of you are blinkered, pompus people who think you know it all and most of the time discussing politics on here is completely pointless. Too many of you don't really want genuine social change.

If your politics aren't capable of convincing the generally anarchist-adjacent urban75 demographic, then good luck with the population at large.

Everyone here does want genuine social change but the question is, how to bring it about? A lot of the anarchist scene is totally inaccessible and doesn't have any discernible impact on public life. Most people aren't even aware anarchist organisations even exist, and beyond the political anoraks of Urban75 and similar virtually nobody in this country can name an anarchist organisation. I don't have any problem with anarchist ideology, I agree with a lot of anarcho-syndicalist ideas, but I don't see any practical way to join the anarchist cause. You can't blame everyone for not becoming anarchists when the anarchist organisations are impossible to get involved with and don't seem to do very much even if you do get involved.

There is a difference between having some kind of vision for the final emancipation of the proletariat and wanting some practical improvements in the short term. One doesn't necessarily contradict the other.

 

[elbows]

I'm surprised the five or ten times I've posted that sing have entirely passed you by

At least one of those occasions hadnt entirely passed me by. But the details of the campaign it was related to do fade in my mind over time and when it came up again now I found that I needed to refresh them, and then when I did I was struck all over again by the absurdities and failures of that dubious campaign.

 

[Leighsw2]

Starmer's big idea is "Buy British", which if memory serves, was Harold Wilson's idea back in 1968-1969. It was a flop then and it's likely to go down like a bucket of cold sick now.

Labour will not nationalise rail, water or energy, Rachel Reeves says

Shadow chancellor says policies do not fit within her plans to restrict public spending

www.independent.co.uk

Good point, though I would have thought the clincher is you can only 'buy British' if it's actually made here and most things aren't! (to be fair to Wilson, 'made in Britain' was actually a thing back in 1968.)

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Great Boss Man No 2 batters revisionist Starmer clique. Genuinely filed with sadness watching this reminding myself that this could have been our chancellor instead of Rishi Sunak:

 

[ska invita]

Distinctively British poorly-attended senior management sales conference midmorning teleconference update

 

[krtek a houby]

Distinctively British poorly-attended senior management sales conference midmorning teleconference update

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Wtf does "distinctively British" actually mean in that context?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Distinctively British poorly-attended senior management sales conference midmorning teleconference update

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Quite impressive to have a list of five things without any of them actually being things.

 

[teqniq]

What is this drivel?

 

[Spandex]

Starmer does realise he's not in the running for the Tory leadership doesn't he?

All these position statements he's coming out with seem to put him somewhere between Hunt & Tugenhat. I know it usually takes him a week or so to focus group and fine tune his positions before unleashing them on the public, so the timing does seem about right for him to be jostling for position in the first round on 13 July.

 

[NoXion]

Distinctively British poorly-attended senior management sales conference midmorning teleconference update

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Why do Starmerites insist on going for such style over substance nonsense, when their "style" is the most unoriginal and insipid version of corporate blahspeak?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Most of the time discussing politics on Urban is a complete waste of time due to the fact that the politics of most of you on here is absolute dogshit. The majority of you are liberals or statists of one type or another meaning that you are really no different to conservatives and are reactionary in your own way - more so than you will ever realise. And alot of you are actually very narrow minded people who stubbornly insist on clinging on to failed politics that has achieved fuck all and that you should have moved on from to try alternatives. You've stuck with politics that has actually done much more harm than good and you keep going down a path that has repeatedly failed. But it doesn't really matter because you're just a tiny, irrelevant, small minded clique who have achieved fuck all and will continue to do just that. Too many of you are blinkered, pompus people who think you know it all and most of the time discussing politics on here is completely pointless. Too many of you don't really want genuine social change.

Congratulations on demonstrating exactly why anything even approaching anarchism will never gain a foot hold in this country.

Up their own arse I'm more revolutionary than you types were two a penny in my brief time hanging around anarchist groups in my early 20s. It was precisely the sort of bellendry you display here that put me off bothering to engage with it. The occasional book fair is still a good shout for badges though

 

[planetgeli]

I've already started to go grey

Wow that's really sad. I genuinely thought you were 16.

Most of the time discussing politics on Urban is a complete waste of time due to the fact that the politics of most of you on here is absolute dogshit. The majority of you are liberals or statists of one type or another meaning that you are really no different to conservatives and are reactionary in your own way - more so than you will ever realise. And alot of you are actually very narrow minded people who stubbornly insist on clinging on to failed politics that has achieved fuck all and that you should have moved on from to try alternatives. You've stuck with politics that has actually done much more harm than good and you keep going down a path that has repeatedly failed. But it doesn't really matter because you're just a tiny, irrelevant, small minded clique who have achieved fuck all and will continue to do just that. Too many of you are blinkered, pompus people who think you know it all and most of the time discussing politics on here is completely pointless. Too many of you don't really want genuine social change.

How is that anarchism in one bedroom policy coming along?

 

[teqniq]

Confusion Over Labour Policy On Rail Ownership As Shadow Cabinet At Odds

 

[philosophical]

Starmer said ‘make Brexit work’.
He is yet to define what Brexit is.
If it means ‘leave’ his first task is to solve the issue of the post leave land border between the UK and the EU.
Perhaps he could ask Nicola Sturgeon who proposes a land border between Scotland and England how those land borders will work.

 

[JimW]

Wtf does "distinctively British" actually mean in that context?

We've had our chips.

 

[ska invita]

Wtf does "distinctively British" actually mean in that context?

British people understand this distinctiveness innately - if you are having to ask you are, I would expect, a bit foreign

 

[Pickman's model]

Wtf does "distinctively British" actually mean in that context?

Bloody awful

 

[krtek a houby]

British people understand this distinctiveness innately - if you are having to ask you are, I would expect, a bit foreign

He's no chance of getting in, has he

 

[Jeff Robinson]

He's no chance of getting in, has he

I think his strategy is to avoid offering anything hopeful or decent so that the rightwing press won't go after him. With a tory government in crisis and a media that isn't viciously hostile I think Starmer is banking on winning as 'the least worst option'. Blairism round two essentially. From a strategic point of view it's not wholly implausible in my view, no matter how depressing it is.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

 

[Jeff Robinson]

 

[Rob Ray]

Wow that's really sad. I genuinely thought you were 16.

I've met a few older folks who do this, usually relatively recent converts still in the initial flush of pseudo-religious zeal. The vast majority of anarchos who've been around for any length of time are more "can we at least try and get this one thing done before everything goes wrong" than "you're all reformists I tells ya." They usually burn out fairly quickly and move on to the next big thing they can be aggressively better than everyone else about. Leninism is popular, or occasionally the actual church.

 

[Rob Ray]

Stretching the meaning of the word "leadership" beyond the galaxy's outer rim there.

 

[Plumdaff]

Wtf does "distinctively British" actually mean in that context?

Racism. Deport people to Rwanda, but compassionately.

 

[steveseagull]

I think it is safe to say that trip to Liverpool was an absolutely stupid idea. Not only did he get berated by the Merseyside Pensioner Association, he also got asked on BBC Radio Merseyside about the Forde report which he shrugged off as unimportant and started ranting on about the sacred NATO cow.

Needless to say, black MPs are not impressed with Mr Anti Racist.

 

[Knotted]

Confusion Over Labour Policy On Rail Ownership As Shadow Cabinet At Odds

I think the position is perfectly clear ie. yes but no.

Seriously though, this is amazingly shambolic.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I think it is safe to say that trip to Liverpool was an absolutely stupid idea. Not only did he get berated by the Merseyside Pensioner Association, he also got asked on BBC Radio Merseyside about the Forde report which he shrugged off as unimportant and started ranting on about the sacred NATO cow.

Needless to say, black MPs are not impressed with Mr Anti Racist.

Starmer cares about anti-semitism because rightwingers and centrists weaponised it to attack the left. He doesn't care about anti-black racism and Islamophobia because rightwingers and centrists are fine with them.

 

[steveseagull]

 

[Brainaddict]

Most of the time discussing politics on Urban is a complete waste of time due to the fact that the politics of most of you on here is absolute dogshit. The majority of you are liberals or statists of one type or another meaning that you are really no different to conservatives and are reactionary in your own way - more so than you will ever realise. And alot of you are actually very narrow minded people who stubbornly insist on clinging on to failed politics that has achieved fuck all and that you should have moved on from to try alternatives. You've stuck with politics that has actually done much more harm than good and you keep going down a path that has repeatedly failed. But it doesn't really matter because you're just a tiny, irrelevant, small minded clique who have achieved fuck all and will continue to do just that. Too many of you are blinkered, pompus people who think you know it all and most of the time discussing politics on here is completely pointless. Too many of you don't really want genuine social change.

We enjoy hanging out with you too.

Politics is to a large degree about finding allies. If at some point you realise you've no-one else on your side at all, it's really no use blaming other people. The only common denominator in your inability to find people to work with is you. You've got to struggle together with the real people you meet, not the fantasy people you wish existed.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Starmer cares about anti-semitism because rightwingers and centrists weaponised it to attack the left. He doesn't care about anti-black racism and Islamophobia because rightwingers and centrists are fine with them.

I'm sure you're right here but the fact is that there was a bit of a problem with antisemitism with Corbyn as leader, it wasn't dealt with properly and it involved Corbyn himself.

For example, Corbyn praised and promoted this nutcase and invited him to parliament :

Raed Salah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org