Keir Starmer's time is up

[Mr.Bishie]

Fucking unions should disaffiliate from labour

The sooner the better.

Jess Phillips has, I am very reliably told, just walked straight past the RMT picket in Birmingham without even stopping to talk let alone show support/solidarity.

The fraudulent 'salt of the earth working class Brummie' mask slips again....

that mask slipped donks ago tbf

 

[SpookyFrank]

Supporting strikes is such a fucking no-brainer, especially now when there will only be more to come in more sectors.

The reason Starmer won't allow labour to do it is not strategic or political, he won't allow it because he's an authoritarian and a bootlicker to the marrow of his bones.

 

[mojo pixy]

I've met a few older folks who do this, usually relatively recent converts still in the initial flush of pseudo-religious zeal. The vast majority of anarchos who've been around for any length of time are more "can we at least try and get this one thing done before everything goes wrong" than "you're all reformists I tells ya." They usually burn out fairly quickly and move on to the next big thing they can be aggressively better than everyone else about. Leninism is popular, or occasionally the actual church.

Also, conspiracism. That way you get to call people "sheeple" all the time and feel good about it I mean, if I had a penny for every angry anarchist I've known that ultimately fell down a conspiranoid / FMotL rabbit hole, I'd have .. oh at least 8p by now

 

[SpookyFrank]

Shamelessly nicked from twitter...

 

[ska invita]

I thought his speech was good. He made the case for supporting the strikes while making a good argument for Labour being in power and what would be different.

yeah i was impressed by his ability to be positive about Starmer and Labour with a straight face (despite knowing it was bullshit!)

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Although he is in a safe Labour seat, and as such what I vote will make little difference, with each passing day I am finding it harder and harder to find good reasons to vote for my Labour MP.

a brilliant development bring this shit on - big up that man Sam Tarry

Radio London reporting possible deselection on its way...

 

[teqniq]

Mike Lynch on Starmer, he's not exactly.... enthusiastic:

 

[Jeff Robinson]

a brilliant development bring this shit on - big up that man Sam Tarry

WOKE:



BROKE:

 

[JimW]

Looks like he hits the gym, suggest him and Kieth battle it out Queensbury rules for the crown.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

And there you have it.

Oh ffs. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

[ska invita]

Radio London reporting possible deselection on its way...

deselection of who?

 

[JimW]

deselection of who?

Tarry it seems. Sure it will be in an open and democratic process.

 

[Leighsw2]

The absolute state of these fucking cunts...read and weep.

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The unerring ability of Starmer to make it all about Labour rather than the Tories cost of living crisis and solidarity with workers trying to protect wages that are still lower, on average, than they were in 2008.

 

[agricola]

Tarry it seems. Sure it will be in an open and democratic process.

that was already happening prior to this, albeit of course deselecting sitting Labour MPs is no longer the Absolute Marxism that it was between 2015 and 2020

 

[ska invita]

Fucking unions should disaffiliate from labour

Seems like a good day to fire up Twitter, first post is from an angry Sharon Graham... It's not going to go down well this

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[tommers]

Seems like a good day to fire up Twitter, first post is from an angry Sharon Graham... It's not going to go down well this

Read the replies to it.

 

[Leighsw2]

Radio London reporting possible deselection on its way...

He represents Mike 'TIG' Gapes old seat in Ilford, next to baby-face Wes Streating, and the Gapes-Streating faction have 'triggered' a reselection process and are trying to deselect him. This may not be smart by the Labour Right as Tarry is soft left, allied to Angela Raynor, accepted a front-bench position from Starmer and he's been pretty loyal. If he is deselected, a lot of other soft-left MPs may feel similarly threatened and it wouldn't take many to join the SCG to trigger a leadership election.

 

[tommers]

It's like none of them have read the Forde report. What's the point of it all? Corbyn's gone, McDonnell and Abbot are reduced to the sidelines. This guy is hardly a firebrand, why fuck off half the party and all the unions?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Literally no difference between Labour and Tory besides the rosettes.

In this context there is a difference - the Daily Mail and the rest of the media will still go after Labour and Starmer on the unions regardless of how 'tough' Starmer is on strikes and pickets. They did with Kinnock and they did it with Miliband.

Labour’s wretched policy isn’t even disgraceful and out of step with public opinion: it’s politically pointless as weakness and pandering to bullies just invites more aggression.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Although he is in a safe Labour seat, and as such what I vote will make little difference, with each passing day I am finding it harder and harder to find good reasons to vote for my Labour MP.

My thoughts, as well.

I mean, in my voting career I've voted for someone else as much as I've voted for them, it's just this stupid fucking system we have, and a lifetime of habit, and the niggling feeling that Tory Lite is marginally easier to stomach than Tory Original, and if they get another kicking they'll inevitably lurch further right than left, and... and... and...

LABOUR, for fuck's sake. It's your fucking name, you colossal pack of frauds. It's just an absolute mockery, the whole fucking business.

Also can't shake the feeling that I should be well past the stage where this sort of thing comes as any kind of surprise, at all.

 

[Leighsw2]

that was already happening prior to this, albeit of course deselecting sitting Labour MPs is no longer the Absolute Marxism that it was between 2015 and 2020

Not a single Labour MP was deselected between 2015 and 2020, even the ones who deserved it like John Woodcock. There were a few trigger ballots and a few reselection processes, all of which the sitting MPs survived. And none of it was being orchestrated by the Labour bureaucracy or Leaders Office as it is now. The latest target is Ian Byrne in Liverpool West Derby, one of the most outstanding working class MPs elected in 2019 who has prioritised food poverty having helped to set up food banks in Liverpool. He was 'triggered' in the first branch meeting following an online-only meeting insisted upon by North West region, with no tellers allowed for the voting and despite the fact it was clear there was a big majority of his supporters on the Zoom call. Nothing like that went on in Corbyn Labour, it's happening all the time in Starmer Labour. So fuck off with your 'absolute Marxism'!

 

[Pickman's model]

Not a single Labour MP was deselected between 2015 and 2020, even the ones who deserved it like John Woodcock. There were a few trigger ballots and a few reselection processes, all of which the sitting MPs survived. And none of it was being orchestrated by the Labour bureaucracy or Leaders Office as it is now. The latest target is Ian Byrne in Liverpool West Derby, one of the most outstanding working class MPs elected in 2019 who has prioritised food poverty having helped to set up food banks in Liverpool. He was 'triggered' in the first branch meeting following an online-only meeting insisted upon by North West region, with no tellers allowed for the voting and despite the fact it was clear there was a big majority of his supporters on the Zoom call. Nothing like that went on in Corbyn Labour, it's happening all the time in Starmer Labour. So fuck off with your 'absolute Marxism'!

Shammerism

 

[Leighsw2]

In this context there is a difference - the Daily Mail and the rest of the media will still go after Labour and Starmer on the unions regardless of how 'tough' Starmer is on strikes and pickets. They did with Kinnock and they did it with Miliband.

Labour’s wretched policy isn’t even disgraceful and out of step with public opinion: it’s politically pointless as weakness and pandering to bullies just invites more aggression.

Absolutely, this is just Kinnock and the miners' strike all over again. It's likely (I hope) that there will be a wave of strikes later this year when the cost of living crisis really bites (the latest news on fuel bills in the autumn is particularly alarming) and then Starmer and right wing Labour are going to be badly exposed.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

LABOUR, for fuck's sake. It's your fucking name, you colossal pack of frauds. It's just an absolute mockery, the whole fucking business.

Also can't shake the feeling that I should be well past the stage where this sort of thing comes as any kind of surprise, at all.

The surprise is surely ‘the optics’? The strikes are popular with the general public and tap into a wider discontent that has been present since 2008.

Labour betraying the class and trade union movement that formed it is as old as the Labour Party itself. But, at least on previous occasions they could claim to be swimming with received opinion. They don’t even have that excuse this time.

 

[two sheds]

Not a single Labour MP was deselected between 2015 and 2020, even the ones who deserved it like John Woodcock. There were a few trigger ballots and a few reselection processes, all of which the sitting MPs survived. And none of it was being orchestrated by the Labour bureaucracy or Leaders Office as it is now. The latest target is Ian Byrne in Liverpool West Derby, one of the most outstanding working class MPs elected in 2019 who has prioritised food poverty having helped to set up food banks in Liverpool. He was 'triggered' in the first branch meeting following an online-only meeting insisted upon by North West region, with no tellers allowed for the voting and despite the fact it was clear there was a big majority of his supporters on the Zoom call. Nothing like that went on in Corbyn Labour, it's happening all the time in Starmer Labour. So fuck off with your 'absolute Marxism'!

I read it as ironic, if not

Was thinking of commenting that it was clearly part of a Stalinist Purge, ah no sorry Corbyn's not there any more it's a perfectly reasonable and straightforward result of breaking party rules.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Absolutely, this is just Kinnock and the miners' strike all over again. It's likely (I hope) that there will be a wave of strikes later this year when the cost of living crisis really bites (the latest news on fuel bills in the autumn is particularly alarming) and then Starmer and right wing Labour are going to be badly exposed.

I think that’s correct. The RMT strikes are tapping into a wider mood, both industrially (in both the public and increasingly the private sector) and in wider society. Labour has been presented with a golden opportunity to speak to that and be part of it - and benefit electorally from it - and to frame the response to it. Instead they’ve picked the other side. So be it…

 

[Leighsw2]

Here's the context of what's coming in the autumn - Britain's political class don't have an answer for this (including Starmer).

 

[Lord Camomile]

The surprise is surely ‘the optics’? The strikes are popular with the general public and tap into a wider discontent that has been present since 2008.

Labour betraying the class and trade union movement that formed it is as old as the Labour Party itself. But, at least on previous occasions they could claim to be swimming with received opinion. They don’t even have that excuse this time.

I honestly wouldn't claim to know what the general trend is among the public at the moment, but would certainly hope you're right, as it hasn't seemed that way for a very long time.

 

[Leighsw2]

I read it as ironic, if not

Ah, my bad! apologies to agricola. Sometimes it's difficult to spot the irony, a product of reading too much Twitter.