What would that even look like though?
Keir Starmer's time is up
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My thinking on Starmer and centrism and their likely success.
Two electoral advantages Starmer gives the LP:
1) He doesn't firm up the Tory vote. Viewed as relatively harmless.
2) He's building an informal alliance with the Lib Dems and we're now seeing a lot of tactical voting against the Tories.
I don't think centrism is where the general public are but it does have its tactical advantages. I think the Tories are without a chance next GE but the medium to long term picture for both main parties is pretty dire IMO. The core vote for both is decaying.
Two electoral advantages Starmer gives the LP:
1) He doesn't firm up the Tory vote. Viewed as relatively harmless.
2) He's building an informal alliance with the Lib Dems and we're now seeing a lot of tactical voting against the Tories.
I don't think centrism is where the general public are but it does have its tactical advantages. I think the Tories are without a chance next GE but the medium to long term picture for both main parties is pretty dire IMO. The core vote for both is decaying.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Opposition to hunger now regarded as 'far left' by revisionist Starmer clique?
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
The problem with that assumption is that it doesn't take account of voting behaviour in that people mostly vote * for * someone or something.
They previously voted for Labour in the working class former industrial North because of heritage/tradition, working class loyalty to the Labour movement.
Then they voted Conservative because they were 'similarly' voting for the (white) working class, and to take back our sovereignty from Europe and 'make Britain great again' etc. And Boris is a bit of a lad, a bit of a lark, very popular and populist.
Except now it's maybe dawning on them that the working class is screwed every which way. The saviours of the 'hard working families' haven't really saved or helped them, much. Yes, some people might've benefited from furlough or grants for small businesses etc during the pandemic, but lots of people fell through the gaps. And many would've realised that the life of Reilly they thought 'benefits scroungers' were living while they toiled was actually pretty fucking grim and involved lots of scrimping and saving and doing without. Although many who already knew about 'in work poverty' went from struggling to relying on food banks, and choosing between heating or eating.
But what does Labour have to offer those subsisting below the poverty line on benefits and those hard working families who now find themselves struggling more than ever before?
Starmer's neither popular not populist. He's not a man of the people like Corbyn. He's not a jack the lad who people might vote for because he's funny on telly like Johnson.
When you think about how many tens, hundreds of thousands of people died needlessly because Johnson was a knob who talked to the media about how he was 'shaking hands with Covid patients' and wasn't man enough to implement lockdowns or cancel Christmas - for other people, he was partying behind the scenes all along - until it was all too late. And all the corruption and sleaze...
...Labour should be absolutely soaring ahead in the polls, should have been for months. But Starmer can hardly score even when there's an open goal at PMQs.
And Starmer's either a policy vacuum - doesn't want to play Labour's hand too early - or the pronouncements he does make amount to out-Torying the Tories. Don't want to scare big business. Doesn't want to side with trade unions or working people who've had wages freezes or below inflation pay rises for years, real-term pay cuts.
He's not giving people anything to vote * for * so I reckon turnout will be lower, because those who voted Tory last time probably won't jump straight back to Labour. They've broken that bond. They don't owe Labour their vote.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
I thought Owen Jones's piece yesterday was good, and spot-on. Almost reflects the title of this thread!
www.theguardian.com
Relying on Johnson’s failures is Labour’s only strategy - its time is almost up | Owen Jones
Keir Starmer’s party lacks any kind of political vision to actively appeal to voters, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Shammer strikes again
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
and Reeves.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
But not mortimer
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Likely they don't want it tied to UC - which does make some sort of sense. But given there's zero communication from them about it, we're left to wonder if they're complete and utter cunts, or just ordinary run-of-the-mill cunts.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Denying free school meals to a large number of children is not harmless
Plumdaff
joy in people
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Reeves is so awful, probably the second most contemptible member of the Starmer clique after Jess Philips.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Oh god, it's all so shabby and inadequate. What is wrong with him? It's all so fucking faux British. What is wrong with all of them? 
teqniq
DisMembered
Fucksake:
www.independent.co.uk
Keir Starmer scraps pledge to end NHS private sector outsourcing
Labour leader suggests breaking promise could help him win election
www.independent.co.uk
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i suspect the involvement of gallowayite sleepers
hitmouse
entreprenulsoip critical thinking
I imagine there were probably quite a few sleepers in the audience.
teqniq
DisMembered
This is a helpful explainer:
inwhoseinterests.home.blog
Hedge Fund Labour: why is the party of the NHS now receiving money from private health investors?
Keir Starmer and Wes Streeting among Labour MPs with funding from private health donors During 2015-2019, the Labour Party was firmly against NHS privatisation and distanced itself from New Labour&…
inwhoseinterests.home.blog
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