Keir Starmer's time is up

[Spandex]

It's a reference to this:

A huge mass of used wet wipes has formed an 'island' that has changed the course of England's second longest river, MP says

Thousands of discarded wipes flushed down toilets end up on the river Thames banks, forming a mass dubbed 'wet wipe island.'

www.businessinsider.com

Gotcha

It's a shit, clumsy and convoluted metaphor referring to a slightly obscure local London news story. Makes sense that Starmer thought 'brilliant!'.

Talk of wet wipes mostly makes me think of changing nappies.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[Puddy_Tat]

having pissed off 'the left', the centrist remainer types are now making noises like they won't vote labour now...

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

like that

We aim to please!

 

[JimW]

In news from home I think it must have been the Starmerites eagerness to impose a candidate that has led the leadership of the Labour group on our district council to resign - one of them clearly saw herself as the natural successor to former MP Dave Drew to contest the seat: Letter to the editor: top brass leave Stroud Labour Party | Stroud Times
Group used to be largest in a coalition with Greens and Winning Here Yellowbellies but this means they're not any longer, which has allowed the Tories to try a bit of shit-stirring: Letter to the editor: Conservatives respond to Labour departures | Stroud Times Though maybe Tories urge Greens to seize power would be one for the why they're shit thread.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Yet more despicable revisionism from rightwing apparatchik Rachel Reeves.

 

[steeplejack]

Posted this on the indyref thread but worth sharing here as well...the clueless Shur Kieth ensures that the only thing Labour will win in Scotland in 2024 is a slew of poor second and third place finishes. What an absolute clown.

 

[Bingoman]

The Guardian have just reported that Durham Police will report today on weather starmer is fined or not?

 

[platinumsage]

No fine.

 

[Wilf]

FFS, you had one job to do. One fucking job!

 

[Wilf]

Can we appeal the decision?

 

[not a trot]

Fucking woke constabulary. That'll be the cry from DM readers.

 

[brogdale]

That'll raise the vermin spirits even higher.

 

[Bingoman]

The Tory Mp for Durham is glad Starmer is not fined

 

[Wilf]

Joking aside, I think that's the next election fucked for Labour, pretty much regardless of who the vermin pick. The main problem with kieth is the project, the flag ridden, de-Corbynification, the neo-liberalism. But something has happened to his self confidence or similar. Back in his 'forensic' days as a shadow minister, it felt like he was at home, doing what he did. Hardly funny or 'twinkly' as I think they used to describe John Smith in Parliament, but confident. Then as soon as his focus became the public - actually meeting the public - he's been dreadful, wooden, scared even. And that has carried over into his Parliamentary work, even if he was good yesterday. There's something about his eyes that looks like he's close to tears all the time.. His voice has a slightly strangled, desperate tone as well. All highly personal on my part and pretty superficial, but he just hasn't got the personality to be a political leader.

tldr? He's an over promoted government law officer or even home secreatry, but not leader.

 

[Bingoman]

Joking aside, I think that's the next election fucked for Labour, pretty much regardless of who the vermin pick. The main problem with kieth is the project, the flag ridden, de-Corbynification, the neo-liberalism. But something has happened to his self confidence or similar. Back in his 'forensic' days as a shadow minister, it felt like he was at home, doing what he did. Hardly funny or 'twinkly' as I think they used to describe John Smith in Parliament, but confident. Then as soon as his focus became the public - actually meeting the public - he's been dreadful, wooden, scared even. And that has carried over into his Parliamentary work, even if he was good yesterday. There's something about his eyes that looks like he's close to tears all the time. Not a good look whatever it is.

I think it depends on who they pick, but I think Labour might just win because the red wall seats will be back with labour imo

 

[not a trot]

I think it depends on who they pick, but I think Labour might just win because the red wall seats will be back with labour imo

'Stop Starmer, Save Brexit', already seen posted elsewhere.

 

[Wilf]

I think it depends on who they pick, but I think Labour might just win because the red wall seats will be back with labour imo

There's a lot to turnaround there. I think Labour's best outcome would be some sort of alliance with the Libs and an agreement with the Nats. Labour's problem is they haven't re established themselves in the constituencies/communities they need to win back. And that was true for the period of the Corbyn leadership as much as now.

 

[billy_bob]

Joking aside, I think that's the next election fucked for Labour, pretty much regardless of who the vermin pick. The main problem with kieth is the project, the flag ridden, de-Corbynification, the neo-liberalism. But something has happened to his self confidence or similar. Back in his 'forensic' days as a shadow minister, it felt like he was at home, doing what he did. Hardly funny or 'twinkly' as I think they used to describe John Smith in Parliament, but confident. Then as soon as his focus became the public - actually meeting the public - he's been dreadful, wooden, scared even. And that has carried over into his Parliamentary work, even if he was good yesterday. There's something about his eyes that looks like he's close to tears all the time.. His voice has a slightly strangled, desperate tone as well. All highly personal on my part and pretty superficial, but he just hasn't got the personality to be a political leader.

tldr? He's an over promoted government law officer or even home secreatry, but not leader.

You're right. Personal views of his politics aside, I've seen him make some fantastic speeches and absolutely dominate debates in the past, just leaving his opponents in tatters. I can't recall a single example of that since he's been leader. He no longer seems to be any good at what he's meant to be good at, even with the Tory goal gaping open and unattended in front of him.

 

[billy_bob]

As much as the concept of this 'progressive alliance' repels me, it might be the only hope to just get the Tories out. But that'd only really be worth it if we were going to see something better on offer than just Tory-lite, and that doesn't look likely at the moment. So it would probably just be five years of footling about then back to the Tories anyway. From a Labour Party point of view, I also think they'd need a level of strategic nous far beyond anything they seem to have these days to boss an alliance the way the Tories did the coalition and not come out of it worse off.

 

[A380]

I was hoping he'd get a COVID ticket so he'd go in a painless manner.

Still, another reason to dislike Durham Constabulary in their smugness...

 

[two sheds]

He should resign anyway to show his superior moral standng and because he was really saying "I'll go if he goes".

 

[Wilf]

You're right. Personal views of his politics aside, I've seen him make some fantastic speeches and absolutely dominate debates in the past, just leaving his opponents in tatters. I can't recall a single example of that since he's been leader. He no longer seems to be any good at what he's meant to be good at, even with the Tory goal gaping open and unattended in front of him.

When he became leader, again, his politics aside, I thought there's be a sort of assertive solidity that would at least trump johnson's flashy futilities. I go on about John Smith, Labour's 'lost prime minister' and all that, someone with equally awful politics. He was every bit the lawyer that kieth is, but was able to deliver derision and contempt in an amusing way. And, the irony, that as the only Labour leader in living memory with a working class background, kieth ends up squirming every time he has to head out beyond Westminster.

 

[Sue]

As much as the concept of this 'progressive alliance' repels me, it might be the only hope to just get the Tories out. But that'd only really be worth it if we were going to see something better on offer than just Tory-lite, and that doesn't look likely at the moment. So it would probably just be five years of footling about then back to the Tories anyway. From a Labour Party point of view, I also think they'd need a level of strategic nous far beyond anything they seem to have these days to boss an alliance the way the Tories did the coalition and not come out of it worse off.

Who would this 'progressive alliance' be with anyway? The Lib Dems? Starmer's just said he wouldn't even talk to the SNP (not that I'm saying they're progressive) and why would the SNP want to get involved in this kind of thing with Labour anyway? And who else is there? The Greens?

 

[Whagwan]

Odd

 

[billy_bob]

Who would this 'progressive alliance' be with anyway? The Lib Dems? Starmer's just said he wouldn't even talk to the SNP (not that I'm saying they're progressive) and why would the SNP want to get involved in this kind of thing with Labour anyway? And who else is there? The Greens?

I was responding to Wilf's suggestion that it was their best outcome. I'm saying only that I suppose it might be, in the electoral short term, if it was possible, and as long as they've evidently got no other plans to reestablish a meaningful presence in the communities they need to win back. But ideologically it's a disaster area and in the longer term it'd probably be a gross tactical error too.

 

[Kaka Tim]

sigh - disappointing - but pretty predictable.
however - a bit of a propaganda coup for starmer. he's all over the news talking about "integrity" (as in his) - in contrast to the tory sewage farm. media gold.

 

[Wilf]

I was responding to Wilf's suggestion that it was their best outcome. I'm saying only that I suppose it might be, in the electoral short term, if it was possible, and as long as they've evidently got no other plans to reestablish a meaningful presence in the communities they need to win back. But ideologically it's a disaster area and in the longer term it'd probably be a gross tactical error too.

Yeah, I meant 'best' with regard to what Labour can reasonably expect, that they can't win an outright majority. Not as in 'a good thing'.

In some senses an ideological disaster area, as you say, but also a genuine 'progressive' alliance - a working illustration that 'progressive' = Tory Lite.

 

[Wilf]

sigh - disappointing - but pretty predictable.
however - a bit of a propaganda coup for starmer. he's all over the news talking about "integrity" (as in his) - in contrast to the tory sewage farm. media gold.

'When we had a curry and breathed all over each other in the pandemic, we did it with integrity'.

 

[bellaozzydog]

Odd

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I’ve got mixed emotions about supertanski I like her spicy delivery, real anger and dystopia warning style. But she’s a starmer Stan