Keir Starmer's time is up

[gosub]

Go on , tell us another , on the edge of our seats

No coz it's so polished it seems a bit sus. Former constituency office story

 

[Pickman's model]

Someone who wanted to be in charge of the police who doesn't even know what dibble earns or costs to train is not a good look.

I trust you leap to the defense (on racial lines) of psycho Patel as well

Woman with type 2 diabetes and sugar levels all over the place makes mistake and is never allowed to forget it. Sure she has poor politics and there's loads of things you can knock her on but you chose the one incident that makes you look a cunt

 

[YouSir]

No coz it's so polished it seems a bit sus. Former constituency office story

Then why mention it? 'I heard a rumour that's clearly bullshit' is something so pointless that it's best kept to yourself.

 

[gosub]

Then why mention it? 'I heard a rumour that's clearly bullshit' is something so pointless that it's best kept to yourself.

Coz it was fucking plausible to me. IF someone else can supply the punchline then I'm more inclined to consider it apocryphal. If no. Well then all you've got is that there's a rumour about a story but it isn't being spread

 

[Serge Forward]

Someone who wanted to be in charge of the police who doesn't even know what dibble earns or costs to train is not a good look.

I trust you leap to the defense (on racial lines) of psycho Patel as well

I never mentioned "racial lines". That was you. Now kindly go and find yourself a Daily Mail to crack one off to.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Revisionist stalwart David Lammy enacts self-criticism on his revisionist degeneracy. Sincere or merely a rowing back a view that prompted greater backlash than he expected?

 

[teqniq]

It's pretty much a case of 'if his lips are moving, he is lying'.

 

[Sue]

I trust you leap to the defense (on racial lines) of psycho Patel as well

You're really on a roll today...

 

[killer b]

Patel is certainly abused on racial lines (as well as gender, cf Dorries), and it would be good if people were prepared to unpick this kind of stuff a bit instead of instantly becoming shrilly defensive when challenged tbh

 

[PR1Berske]

Tony Blair has dismissed the need for a new political party, saying Labour has “recovered” under Keir Starmer but needs a clearer sense of direction to win the next general election.

After a mixed few weeks for Labour, with MPs raising concerns about Starmer’s appeal but the party managing to retake the “red wall” seat of Wakefield in a byelection, Blair said the leadership needed to come forward with appealing new policies.


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Although Blair said Starmer was “doing an amazing job, given what he inherited after the Corbyn years”, he cautioned there was still confusion among voters about what the party under him stood for.

Speaking ahead of a conference hosted by his institute, the former prime minister told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “The Labour party itself is saying: ‘We’re going to set out a policy agenda later this year and into next,’ and in a way, this conference, I mean the ideas we’re putting forward are available for anybody.

“The next election, in my view, will be as much about Labour as it is about the Conservatives, because I think people will think: ‘Yeah, OK, in principle, we should put the Conservatives out.’ But before they make that change, they’ve got to be sure of Labour.”

Blair believed Starmer was “entirely capable of doing that”, but added: “We’ve got to be absolutely frank with ourselves. If we want to win, it’s going to be on the basis that people are absolutely clear what Labour is and what it stands for.”

A longstanding critic of Starmer’s predecessor Jeremy Corbyn, Blair said he had been approached in the past about “whether they should start a new party”, but said: “I was not involved in creating a new party.”

If Labour had continued under the leadership of someone on the “Corbyn wing” of the party, Blair said that “British politics would have had to have broken up in some way”. But he dismissed the need for a new party given Starmer’s record so far.

“I think the Labour party has recovered its basic poise and clarity,” Blair said. “To be fair to Starmer, when you think of what he inherited, what he’s done, I think he’s made an enormous amount of progress.”

Blair said there was appetite in the west for a radical but sensible centrist politics, citing the election of Joe Biden in the US, Emmanuel Macron in France, and of the German chancellor, Olaf Scholz.

 

[Whagwan]

Would that be the Emmanuel Macron that has just entered an alliance with the Le Pen?

 

[steveseagull]

Hey! We are the dull uninspiring middle managers and we want your vote!

 

[Quote]

No matter how many relaunches and catchy slogans are thrown at it, Starmer's Labour could never be anything but deeply un-energising.

 

[ska invita]

I think those thinking He's Keeping His Powder Dry are going to witness some poor labour spad trying to set fire to a wet wipe come election season

 

[Plumdaff]

Normal non ranty people at work are starting to go on about how shit he is (was unfavourably compared to Mick Lynch today by usually apolitical co worker). OK I work in the NHS in Wales, not a hotbed of Tories, but if people like that think you're irredeemably crap you're done for.

 

[TopCat]

Starmer allies reject claims leftwingers blocked from standing for Labour

Party figures understood to have urged leader to rein in acolytes after candidates from left excluded from longlists

www.theguardian.com

No one to the left of Blair to stand.

 

[teqniq]

Someone with principles:



Meanwhile:

 

[two sheds]

Yes everybody wait until Labour gets to power and does nothing about it all either.

 

[steveseagull]

With these dreadful people, there is always a reason why people cannot have nice stuff (in this case enough to feed your kids and pay your bills/mortgage)

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Someone with principles:



Meanwhile:

Salute to the anti-revisionist Mike Amesbury! Starmer's perfidious clique must be exposed and resisted at every opportunity!

 

[Pickman's model]

Someone with principles:



Meanwhile:

If the country can't afford strikes then employers should not let things get so far

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Someone with principles:



Meanwhile:

Tony Blair - what an utter cunt.

 

[TopCat]

If the country can't afford strikes then employers should not let things get so far

Yes.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I get what you're saying, but I suspect the risk of a genuine left split from Labour is so unlikely as to be not worth anyone worrying about.

I may be wrong of course, and I'm only a disinterested observer rather than being that concerned either way.

I think you're correct in that a genuine left split from Labour is so unlikely as to be not worth worrying about.

However, what is arguably worth worrying about is the expulsion and alienation of the Corbynistas and others on the left of the party, because they were the enthusiastic 'foot soldier' types who were pounding the pavements, leafleting and canvassing.

And they were doing so not only in their own constituencies, but also going to help out in the marginals.

I suspect that come the next GE, there will be more reliance on Royal Mail than in previous years - as someone noted above about a recent election - because Labour doesn't have the capacity for hand delivery.

I live in a Labour safe seat in Manchester and know quite a number of lefties who joined up because they felt seen and represented by Corbyn and the left of the party, for the first time in years, and not only did they become active in the local party, they did go and help with electioneering in other areas. Many of them have now drifted away, although a handful are still in the party.

You can't treat people like shit and then expect them to support you and you can't rely on them to turn out and walk the streets and push leaflets through letterboxes.

I suspect they're not worried enough about that, they're just glad to see the back of lefties.

 

[andysays]

I think you're correct in that a genuine left split from Labour is so unlikely as to be not worth worrying about.

However, what is arguably worth worrying about is the expulsion and alienation of the Corbynistas and others on the left of the party, because they were the enthusiastic 'foot soldier' types who were pounding the pavements, leafleting and canvassing.

And they were doing so not only in their own constituencies, but also going to help out in the marginals.

I suspect that come the next GE, there will be more reliance on Royal Mail than in previous years - as someone noted above about a recent election - because Labour doesn't have the capacity for hand delivery.

I live in a Labour safe seat in Manchester and know quite a number of lefties who joined up because they felt seen and represented by Corbyn and the left of the party, for the first time in years, and not only did they become active in the local party, they did go and help with electioneering in other areas. Many of them have now drifted away, although a handful are still in the party.

You can't treat people like shit and then expect them to support you and you can't rely on them to turn out and walk the streets and push leaflets through letterboxes.

I suspect they're not worried enough about that, they're just glad to see the back of lefties.

Yeah, this is reasonable point, and it mirrors the general decline in Labour voting over the decades as voters feel taken for granted.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Tony Blair - what an utter cunt.

Fucking cunt.

Establishment stooge Blair shows no fucking awareness that the public sector workers who he's insisting accept below inflation pay settlements are the kind of people whose votes Labour is going to need to get elected.

Total detachment from reality. The little people, those poorly paid public sector workers should just accept living in poverty as a price worth paying so that Labour MPs can elected into jobs paying £70k+ and so that a Labour government like the one he led can get into bed with big business, and then that tiny elite can enrich themselves and go on to become multimillionaires. And fuck the little people living in poverty.

Fuck self-aggrandising self-enriching war criminal Blair.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

He might seem like a man with no principles or ideology at all but he's not. He truly hates any kind of direct action. He believes in doing everything by the book even though he must know the book was itself written by criminals. It's a shit ideology, but it's there alright.

Keir Starmer has dined out for decades on some human rights legal work he did donkeys years ago.

But Sir Keir has been a member of the establishment for a long time now.

And as for SpookyFrank 's assertion that Sir Keir hates direct action...

As poacher-turned-gamekeeper, ie Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), Starmer presided over several miscarriages of justices, including the wrongful convictions, subsequently overturned, of activists who blocked the Drax power station at Ratcliffe-on-Soar.

The CPS, headed by DPP Starmer, failed to disclose evidence about the involvement of 'Spycop' Mark Kennedy.

Sorry for the Canary link, but you can Google info about this on lots of other left-wing blogs etc.

A message to anyone thinking of voting for Keir Starmer in the Labour leadership race

And it's not just because the last thing Labour needs is another white man

www.thecanary.co

Starmer is a cunt. And a waste of space. He and the Labour Party should be soaring ahead in the polls at this point, but they're not, because he's a liability. And he's ineffectual at PMQs, I mean so many open fucking goals and he can't score even though Johnson has pretty much given Starmer the ball, walked him to the penalty spot, then gone and tied the goalies' hands behind his back. And Starmer still can't fucking score. He's a wasteman.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Keir Starmer has dined out for decades on some human rights legal work he did donkeys years ago.

But Sir Keir has been a member of the establishment for a long time now.

And as for SpookyFrank 's assertion that Sir Keir hates direct action...

As poacher-turned-gamekeeper, ie Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), Starmer presided over several miscarriages of justices, including the wrongful convictions, subsequently overturned, of activists who blocked the Drax power station at Ratcliffe-on-Soar.

The CPS, headed by DPP Starmer, failed to disclose evidence about the involvement of 'Spycop' Mark Kennedy.

Sorry for the Canary link, but you can Google info about this on lots of other left-wing blogs etc.

A message to anyone thinking of voting for Keir Starmer in the Labour leadership race

And it's not just because the last thing Labour needs is another white man

www.thecanary.co

Starmer is a cunt. And a waste of space. He and the Labour Party should be soaring ahead in the polls at this point, but they're not, because he's a liability. And he's ineffectual at PMQs, I mean so many open fucking goals and he can't score even though Johnson has pretty much given Starmer the ball, walked him to the penalty spot, then gone and tied the goalies' hands behind his back. And Starmer still can't fucking score. He's a wasteman.

Yeah several mates of mine were nicked at the Ratcliffe thing

E2a: They didn't actually blockade anything. They were arrested the night before a planned action on a spycop tip off. There was also some gang violence in Nottingham that night, with one guy beaten half to death at a local nightclub by blokes welding champagne bottles. The perpetrators were not arrested, because every cell in a 30 mile radius was full of climate change protestors.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

They're acting like they're applying for a management job. Because that's what they identify with and that's all their political careers have been

Excellent point.

 

[ska invita]

poacher-turned-gamekeeper,

like that