Keir Starmer's time is up

[muscovyduck]

They're acting like they're applying for a management job. Because that's what they identify with and that's all their political careers have been

 

[Wilf]

Opposing striking workers only makes sense in the idea of a politics that is nothing more than breaking with everything that went before under Corbyn, some kneejerk attempt at getting commuters and the mail on board. But even within the mental confines of building some kind of centrist brand within which to oppose the tories it makes no sense. It forgets that Labour had policy successes under Corbyn, around public services and social protection, even if that was presented as an uncoordinated mishmash in the 2019 election. Even as some kind of awful timid centrist party, there has to be some kind of vision of a new kind of economy and use of the state to make people's lives less shit. It wouldn't be my politics, but at least they'd be starting to peel back the notion that neo-liberalism and boss power are inevitable. Essentially, Labour are sprinting away from the kind of politics that are precisely what is needed at the moment.

 

[platinumsage]

Just looked at their website. Seems they’re offering flexible working and a £10/hr minimum wage, by 2030.

Perhaps by election time they’ll come up with a manifesto with some actual meaningful policies.

 

[gosub]

Starmer's making a bad (and ideologically guided) miscalculation about strikes, I think. He can get away with opposing one strike and denying that he's against strikes in principle. But we're going to have a slew over the next 12 months, and, even in 2022, it's not a line the leader of the Labour party can possibly hold. He's fucking himself.

Given the hoops you have to go through to have a legally mandated strike not supporting one thats met the threshold is basically saying you support making it even harder to strike

 

[gosub]

Just looked at their website. Seems they’re offering flexible working and a £10/hr minimum wage, by 2030.

Perhaps by election time they’ll come up with a manifesto with some actual meaningful policies.

Wot after Brown fought and won in court that a manefesto isn't binding... And Milliband had a giant tombstone that wasn't set in stone

 

[Wilf]

Opposing striking workers only makes sense in the idea of a politics that is nothing more than breaking with everything that went before under Corbyn, some kneejerk attempt at getting commuters and the mail on board. But even within the mental confines of building some kind of centrist brand within which to oppose the tories it makes no sense. It forgets that Labour had policy successes under Corbyn, around public services and social protection, even if that was presented as an uncoordinated mishmash in the 2019 election. Even as some kind of awful timid centrist party, there has to be some kind of vision of a new kind of economy and use of the state to make people's lives less shit. It wouldn't be my politics, but at least they'd be starting to peel back the notion that neo-liberalism and boss power are inevitable. Essentially, Labour are sprinting away from the kind of politics that are precisely what is needed at the moment.

Did nobody notice the double repetition? Had you buzzed in you'd have had the rest of the minute on 'Why Labour is Shit'.

 

[Plumdaff]

Written 50 years ago, could have been this week...

 

[Jeff Robinson]

The revisionist counter-revolution is complete

 

[Jeff Robinson]

What exciting new policies to make this country better can we expect from the Starmer clique?

Make Armed Forces Day a Public Holiday

Mandatory Union Jack for All Publicity Photos

No Labour MP Allowed within a 100 Mile Radius of a Picket Line

Bring Back the Lighthouse Family

Twin the Annual Labour Conference with An Israeli Settlement in Hebron

Exile Corbyn to Mars

Can't wait!

 

[muscovyduck]

What manifesto?????? What policies???

 

[Pickman's model]

The revisionist counter-revolution is complete

so until the next election they believe in nothing, then after the next election they'll ditch that lot of promises too and will once more believe in floating as free as the birds without ever a political principle to tether them to anything

 

[muscovyduck]

This whole thing feels like a student union election at a uni where no one cares about the student union

 

[muscovyduck]

"Uh... if I was elected I would like to campaign for mental health wellbeing and an Easter ball"

 

[Serge Forward]

so until the next election they believe in nothing

 

[belboid]

What manifesto?????? What policies???

They have wait for the Tory manifesto to come out first, so they can water it down ever so slightly.

 

[philosophical]

In my view the uselessness of Labour right now has been cemented in with the slogan ‘make Brexit work’.
Brexit isn’t defined, and ‘leave’ risks a return of conflict in Ireland.

 

[killer b]

Why would Starmer be expected to stick by the 2019 manifesto, or have a new manifesto out now, two years before an election? No love for him or expectations of anything good from his leadership, but these seem odd things to get worked up about.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why would Starmer be expected to stick by the 2019 manifesto, or have a new manifesto out now, two years before an election? No love for him or expectations of anything good from his leadership, but these seem odd things to get worked up about.

if you get elected on that platform it is generally assumed not to expire after a couple of years because it's inconvenient. would starmer have been elected on a manifesto more to his liking? i suspect so: but think he'd have been joined by a smaller caucus of labour mps

 

[killer b]

But a manifesto is a programme for government, which the Labour Party decisively failed to form in 2019 - there was no demands or expectation that Corbyn push on with Miliband's failed policies was there?

 

[two sheds]

I didn't think it was the policies that failed.

 

[Plumdaff]

Why would Starmer be expected to stick by the 2019 manifesto, or have a new manifesto out now, two years before an election? No love for him or expectations of anything good from his leadership, but these seem odd things to get worked up about.

I think people are more cross about the dumping of the 10 pledges he made when running for Labour leader. For example;

7. work shoulder to shoulder with trade unions to stand up for working people, tackle insecure work and low pay. Repeal the Trade Union Act. Oppose Tory attacks on the right to take industrial action and weakening of workplace rights.

Does show him up to be the unprincipled liar, no?

Oh here's another

An immigration system based on compassion and dignity.

....but he won't rule out continuing the Rwanda policy.

 

[belboid]

Why would Starmer be expected to stick by the 2019 manifesto, or have a new manifesto out now, two years before an election? No love for him or expectations of anything good from his leadership, but these seem odd things to get worked up about.

He said he’d ‘build on’ the 2019 manifesto not dump it entirely. It’s just another example of his leadership campaign being built on complete lies.

As to having a manifesto, he certainly doesn’t need a full one but he needs to lay out a few things that Labour will do differently, Blair certainly did.

 

[killer b]

I think people are more cross about the dumping of the 10 pledges he made when running for Labour leader.

That's something to challenge him about for sure. But that's not what people are apparently cross about today.

 

[Plumdaff]

That's something to challenge him about for sure. But that's not what people are apparently cross about today.

I suspect it's because he ran as a continuity and unity candidate pledging to retain much of what the membership liked in the 2019 manifesto, but has reneged on all his pledges and now talks about a "clean slate" in terms of manifestos and policies. The anger about the manifesto is fuelled by the previous mendacity.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think people are more cross about the dumping of the 10 pledges he made when running for Labour leader. For example;



Does show him up to be the unprincipled liar, no?

Oh here's another



....but he won't rule out continuing the Rwanda policy.

he's just going to be more efficient than the conservative & unionist party.

 

[killer b]

I find it hard to believe anyone performing outrage today expected anything else tbf

 

[Wilf]

I find it hard to believe anyone performing outrage today expected anything else tbf

Next you'll be saying we can't call boris johnson a massive twat.

 

[ska invita]

They have wait for the Tory manifesto to come out first, so they can water it down ever so slightly.

thats not even a joke

 

[Whagwan]

Who says they will water it down? Thangam's boasted that being outflanked from the left by the Tories on the windfall tax shows how fiscally c-con-c-careful they are...

 

[TopCat]

In my view the uselessness of Labour right now has been cemented in with the slogan ‘make Brexit work’.
Brexit isn’t defined, and ‘leave’ risks a return of conflict in Ireland.

What has Brexit meant for Catford though?