Keir Starmer's time is up

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Shadow ministers urge Starmer to start picking new candidate for Corbyn’s seat

At least two frontbenchers have said Labour should not support former leader’s candidacy at next election

www.theguardian.com

This is bound to go well.

 

[tommers]

Shadow ministers urge Starmer to start picking new candidate for Corbyn’s seat

At least two frontbenchers have said Labour should not support former leader’s candidacy at next election

www.theguardian.com

This is bound to go well.

How can he be a candidate if he's banned from the party? Isn't he independent?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

How can he be a candidate if he's banned from the party? Isn't he independent?

Well at the moment he's an MP, not a candidate for anything. But yeah if he's still banned when getting towards the next election it obviously makes sense they'll need to pick a new candidate.

I just look forward to them totally fucking it up though.

 

[killer b]

The party has to either readmit him or run someone else, and I guess they're probably going to leave having that particular fight until they really need to have it. I actually doubt they'll move on it until the next election is called

 

[tommers]

Well at the moment he's an MP, not a candidate for anything. But yeah if he's still banned when getting towards the next election it obviously makes sense they'll need to pick a new candidate.

I just look forward to them totally fucking it up though.

Oh yeah. It will be funny.

 

[steeplejack]

Yep Corbyn to romp home in Islington as an independent, against Starmer-Labour's official PPC, Sebastian Flyte, who's hoping to have a brief respite from sacking people with PWC, to indulge his politics hobby for a few years

 

[Pickman's model]

Yep Corbyn to romp home in Islington as an independent, against Starmer-Labour's official PPC, Sebastian Flyte, who's hoping to have a brief respite from sacking people with PWC, to indulge his politics hobby for a few years

aloysius would do better than sf, he knows where the bodies are buried

 

[steeplejack]

aloysius would do better than sf, he knows where the bodies are buried

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The Stieffen bear might win over some of the instagram generation who might otherwise vote Tory, but JC will still romp home.

 

[belboid]

How can he be a candidate if he's banned from the party? Isn't he independent?

He isn’t banned from the party, he was reinstated ages ago. He is suspended from the parliamentary group so doesn’t sit as Labour.

 

[Pickman's model]

He isn’t banned from the party, he was reinstated ages ago. He is suspended from the parliamentary group so doesn’t sit as Labour.

it's the wisdom of shammeron

 

[srb7677]

He isn’t banned from the party, he was reinstated ages ago. He is suspended from the parliamentary group so doesn’t sit as Labour.

Without the whip he cannot stand as a Labour MP. So either he will have to stand as an Independent against the Labour candidate, for which he will be expelled. Or he would have to stand down as a condition of remaining in the party. Without the whip he cannot stand as an MP and remain a party member. He will have to choose between party or constituency.

Because he is getting on a bit there is the possibility that he might decide it is time to retire anyway, but I hope he stands and fights as an independent.

 

[steveseagull]

They have two options here

1) take on the chin the wrath from the Board of Deputies, blue tick centrist grifters and the Tory headbangers in the Jewish Labour Movement.

or

2) Run someone against Corbyn, lose Labour the seat and have this the main story of the entire election campaign.

They will go for option 2.

 

[killer b]

It won't be the main story of the entire election though, it'll be a fun diversion for politics nerds, nothing more.

 

[elbows]

It won't be the main story of the entire election though, it'll be a fun diversion for politics nerds, nothing more.

It may resemble Frank Dobson mayoral race deja vu.

 

[killer b]

I imagine so - but to imagine it'll be anything more than a footnote in the election campaign is a bit silly.

 

[magneze]

Would Corbyn run against Labour? I don't think that's a given either.

 

[skyscraper101]

Man's gone against the whip more times than I've had hot dinners. He wouldn't think twice about it.

 

[belboid]

Would Corbyn run against Labour? I don't think that's a given either.

At the drop of a (Russian) hat

 

[Wilf]

I imagine so - but to imagine it'll be anything more than a footnote in the election campaign is a bit silly.

'Footnote Plus', perhaps, particularly if the local party executive back Corbyn, get suspended etc.

 

[Sue]

At the drop of a (Russian) hat

(Vegan fur) Russian hat.

 

[killer b]

'Footnote Plus', perhaps, particularly if the local party executive back Corbyn, get suspended etc.

Not unless a load of other Labour MPs go with him, but I can't think of any (other than maybe Abbott?) who would have enough of a personal vote to risk it. Without that a single ex-Labour MP standing as an independent will disappear almost completely under the news juggernaut of the actual general election, even if it's Corbyn.

 

[steveseagull]

'Footnote Plus', perhaps, particularly if the local party executive back Corbyn, get suspended etc.

Quite

 

[andysays]

Without the whip he cannot stand as a Labour MP. So either he will have to stand as an Independent against the Labour candidate, for which he will be expelled. Or he would have to stand down as a condition of remaining in the party. Without the whip he cannot stand as an MP and remain a party member. He will have to choose between party or constituency.

Because he is getting on a bit there is the possibility that he might decide it is time to retire anyway, but I hope he stands and fights as an independent.

Are you sure about this?

You don't actually get the whip until you become an MP, Labour or otherwise, because it only applies to being a member of the parliamentary party, at least that's my understanding of what the term means.

Anyone standing as a candidate to become an MP for the first time can't, by definition, have the whip when they stand.

But whatever the precise details of the procedures, it looks likely to cause at least some controversy and further damage to the Labour party, even if (and it pains me to write this) killer b is right that it will ultimately be a footnote to the overall election.

 

[teqniq]

I can imagine a scenario where if Labour field a candidate in Islington to stand against Corbyn the right-wing press will leverage it to use as a stick to beat Labour with, particularly if the vermin are looking bad in the polls. And, if Corbyn is allowed to stand as a Labour MP in his own right, they will leverage that too, so probably damned if they do and damned if they don't.

 

[Wilf]

Are you sure about this?

You don't actually get the whip until you become an MP, Labour or otherwise, because it only applies to being a member of the parliamentary party, at least that's my understanding of what the term means.

Anyone standing as a candidate to become an MP for the first time can't, by definition, have the whip when they stand.

But whatever the precise details of the procedures, it looks likely to cause at least some controversy and further damage to the Labour party, even if (and it pains me to write this) killer b is right that it will ultimately be a footnote to the overall election.

I suspect they won't allow someone who has the whip removed to be selected. Won't shortlists have to be ratified, perhaps by the regional party? *

Edit: no idea whether it's still the regional party tbh, it's decades since I was anywhere near the Labour Party.

 

[srb7677]

Are you sure about this?

You don't actually get the whip until you become an MP, Labour or otherwise, because it only applies to being a member of the parliamentary party, at least that's my understanding of what the term means.

Anyone standing as a candidate to become an MP for the first time can't, by definition, have the whip when they stand.

But whatever the precise details of the procedures, it looks likely to cause at least some controversy and further damage to the Labour party, even if (and it pains me to write this) killer b is right that it will ultimately be a footnote to the overall election.

I used to be in the Labour Party. This was how the rules were understood and explained to us.

Although a different party, it worked that way for the Tories. Those who had the whip withdrawn were forced out of parliament.

This backs that up as well as suggesting they are thinking of a replacement for him....

Labour line up candidate to take on Corbyn in Islington North

The former leader is reportedly considering establishing his own political party after accepting he will never be reinstated as a Labour MP.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

 

[andysays]

I used to be in the Labour Party. This was how the rules were understood and explained to us.

Although a different party, it worked that way for the Tories. Those who had the whip withdrawn were forced out of parliament.

This backs that up as well as suggesting they are thinking of a replacement for him....

Labour line up candidate to take on Corbyn in Islington North

The former leader is reportedly considering establishing his own political party after accepting he will never be reinstated as a Labour MP.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

OK, maybe I'm splitting hairs, but "after having had the whip withdrawn" isn't quite the same, IMO, as "without the whip".

But on the substantive point, I agree than unless he has the whip restored in the meantime, he isn't going to be able to stand as a Labour candidate at the next election.

And if that's going to happen, it actually makes sense for whoever's responsible to appoint a future candidate now rather than leave it until the eleventh hour.

 

[Cerv]

Shadow ministers urge Starmer to start picking new candidate for Corbyn’s seat

At least two frontbenchers have said Labour should not support former leader’s candidacy at next election

www.theguardian.com

This is bound to go well.

article makes no mention of the redrawn constituency boundaries. those will be in effect if the election is after summer 2023.

final version is yet to be published later this year (IIRC). so can't say for certain what's happening yet.
but big changes in this corner of North London if I recall.

I suspect they'll be waiting to see what happens with that. if e.g. Corbyn's in a situation of having to run against Abbott then Starmer's problem might solve itself.

 

[killer b]

, it actually makes sense for whoever's responsible to appoint a future candidate now rather than leave it until the eleventh hour.

Disagree with this - it makes more sense for it to be left til the last minute: Corbyn may be a busted flush, but he's still got a large following and the ability to surprise - booting him definitely now risks some left wing TIG type affair organising around him which would be unlikely to win more than a seat or two, but would defo fuck Labour's chances in a load of marginals. Leave it til an election is called and that doesn't happen, or its effects are at least muted.

 

[andysays]

Disagree with this - it makes more sense for it to be left til the last minute: Corbyn may be a busted flush, but he's still got a large following and the ability to surprise - booting him definitely now risks some left wing TIG type affair organising around him which would be unlikely to win more than a seat or two, but would defo fuck Labour's chances in a load of marginals. Leave it til an election is called and that doesn't happen, or its effects are at least muted.

I get what you're saying, but I suspect the risk of a genuine left split from Labour is so unlikely as to be not worth anyone worrying about.

I may be wrong of course, and I'm only a disinterested observer rather than being that concerned either way.