Keir Starmer's time is up

[PR1Berske]

To stand as a candidate for a registered party, you need the signature of that party's nominating officer, something Corbyn can only get if a lot of humble pie is served and eaten, not necessarily in equal portions, on both sides.

The perennial rumours about Eddie Izzard standing in Islington have started up again, which would certainly make for a comedy alongside the drama.

 

[Raheem]

Whatever the consequence of replacing Corbyn is, it's surely going to be more of a problem to have it peaking closer to an election.

That said, I think this story is more about shadow cabinet leaking. There are clearly some in there who think they could do a much better job (low bar).

 

[Leighsw2]

Man's gone against the whip more times than I've had hot dinners. He wouldn't think twice about it.

Shows how little you know the man.....

 

[Leighsw2]

Would Corbyn run against Labour? I don't think that's a given either.

Don't underestimate his loyalty to the Labour party (which, despite what some people may think, is not the same as the Parliamentary party or leadership). He's spent his entire adult life in Labour, stayed with it through thick and thin (mostly the latter after the Blairites took over) and, like many of his generation, is very invested in the ideal of the 'labour movement'. Ultimately his downfall (in my view), but there you are. I think he's more likely to retire than stand as an independent, demonstrating a great deal more integrity than the lickspittle right-wing bastards who sabotaged his leadership.

 

[killer b]

I get what you're saying, but I suspect the risk of a genuine left split from Labour is so unlikely as to be not worth anyone worrying about.

I may be wrong of course, and I'm only a disinterested observer rather than being that concerned either way.

I don't really care either tbf: and maybe Corbyn's Peace & Justice Party with a year or two to get it's act together wouldn't be any kind of threat, but I can understand why Labour aren't willing to risk it.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

 

[teqniq]

Shabby as fuck:

Labour frontbenchers who joined rail strike pickets pressed to apologise

MPs who defied Keir Starmer’s order to stay away from striking RMT workers may be disciplined for attendance

www.theguardian.com

 

[Chilli.s]

A flakey, unprincipled, opportunist ol' keith

well maybe not opportunist, he always misses any opportunity in the house

 

[TopCat]

The problem is that Labour has ceased to have any possibility of being a vehicle for meaningful change, and voting for them anyway just encourages them in that failure.

There are only two possibilities. Either New Labour itself performs so disastrously that the party itself feels a need to head in a new more progressive direction. And to encourage that we need to not vote for it. Or else the only real hope of change is destroy and replace it, however long it takes. And to encourage that we need to not vote for it but find alternatives.

There are enough of us out there who recognise this to ensure no majority Labour government. And if the price of Labour forming a minority government or coalition is PR, then that will change everything going forwards.

Are you a Liberal

 

[two sheds]

Are you a Liberal

But answer came there none— And this was scarcely odd because ...

 

[PR1Berske]

Don't know where to put this but as it's a mirror to the state of the current Labour Party maybe it's best in this thread. Statement from the MP for Poplar and Limehouse

 

[Raheem]

Starmer's making a bad (and ideologically guided) miscalculation about strikes, I think. He can get away with opposing one strike and denying that he's against strikes in principle. But we're going to have a slew over the next 12 months, and, even in 2022, it's not a line the leader of the Labour party can possibly hold. He's fucking himself.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Starmer's making a bad (and ideologically guided) miscalculation about strikes, I think. He can get away with opposing one strike and denying that he's against strikes in principle. But we're going to have a slew over the next 12 months, and, even in 2022, it's not a line the leader of the Labour party can possibly hold. He's fucking himself.

Come on, think how much leadership he'll have shown after trying to wriggle out of taking any position all year. He'll be super electable.

 

[Chilli.s]

He has no chance of being elected

 

[krtek a houby]

He has no chance of being elected

His opposite would have to be an even worse shit than he is

 

[steveseagull]

The Tory's wedge issue appears to have wedged Starmer out of any relevance whatsoever. The left now appear to be organising outside the Labour Party headed by a bloke who not many people had heard of a week ago. I would imagine trade union membership and engagement has gone through the roof over the last week.

Emily Thornberry was completely sidelined on Peston last night and was sat there nodding along to Lynch destroying "Honest" Bob Jenrick and hardly got a look in. Clear and concise explanations on how the Tories are funnelling all this country's money into the pockets of the wealthy.

Starmer's Blairite handlers would never allow him to engage in such heresy (outside getting him installed as leader) and he now finds himself out of touch with public opinion and party members. I can imagine how much the Blairites detest Lynch for showing them up for who they are (much like Corbyn did).

So, what is the point of Keir Starmer's Labour Party?

 

[Whagwan]

Come on, think how much leadership he'll have shown after trying to wriggle out of taking any position all year. He'll be super electable.

Super serious, super electable.

 

[steveseagull]

Serious stuff

 

[krtek a houby]

This time it's serious

 

[SpookyFrank]

Starmer's making a bad (and ideologically guided) miscalculation about strikes, I think. He can get away with opposing one strike and denying that he's against strikes in principle. But we're going to have a slew over the next 12 months, and, even in 2022, it's not a line the leader of the Labour party can possibly hold. He's fucking himself.

He might seem like a man with no principles or ideology at all but he's not. He truly hates any kind of direct action. He believes in doing everything by the book even though he must know the book was itself written by criminals. It's a shit ideology, but it's there alright.

 

[steveseagull]

Why waste you money on the Labour Party subs?

 

[Chilli.s]

Everyone I know who joined under Corbies time have refused to renew subs

 

[two sheds]

He might seem like a man with no principles or ideology at all but he's not. He truly hates any kind of direct action. He believes in doing everything by the book even though he must know the book was itself written by criminals. It's a shit ideology, but it's there alright.

That and doing nothing that will be criticized by the Mail or the Sun, but doing nothing will be criticized just as much by the Mail and the Sun.

 

[SpookyFrank]

That and doing nothing that will be criticized by the Mail or the Sun, but doing nothing will be criticized just as much by the Mail and the Sun.

That I would call strategy rather than ideology. Again, it's easy to assume there is no strategy but it's there alright.

It's just a fucking terrible strategy.

 

[andysays]

Super serious, super electable.



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Is it just me, or is that statement nothing more than a load of completely substanceless waffle?

Ideal mission statement for Starmer's Labour Party though

 

[DotCommunist]

Nothing I've read or seen of the man deviates much from a bog standard authoritarian prick. Whatever beliefs he once held towards labourism, pro working class politics or anything of that sort have been scorched out. I can't even raise much hate for him, he's such a fucking function of the system he doesn't even have foibles or idiosyncrasies to hate on.

Is it just me, or is that statement nothing more than a load of completely substanceless waffle?

Ideal mission statement for Starmer's Labour Party though

no no, that bit about 'not everyone will like it' is a direct little lab right sneer of the kind I've become adept at spotting in these anonymous briefings. But other than that, waffle.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Revisionist nonsense at its worst!

 

[PR1Berske]

Revisionist nonsense at its worst!

 

[Rob Ray]

Lammy's always been a piece of shit, like that time he skipped out on Mark Duggan's vigil on the grounds he didn't want to "share a platform with criminals" and pretended the community's anger over the Duggan verdict was all down to them being manipulated by extremists.

 

[tommers]

Seriously, what are they fucking playing at? They know this is just a reversal of a pay cut. It's like they think they can only be elected if they're Tories but not quite as cunty as actual Tories.

I know none of this is new but fucking hell it's exhausting.