Keir Starmer's time is up

[steveseagull]

Incoming

 

[belboid]

That's more the Jared O'Mara effect than anyone caring what KS has to say, imo.

Omara was in a completely different part of the city, he is meaningless. This ward is adjacent to mine.

it’s an absurdly low turn out in a safe Labour seat. The Tory vote collapsed and went straight to the libs. Labour have just gone into an alliance with the greens so the liberals, long the only other party plausible if you want to go ‘fuck the council’ got those votes. It’s not a great result for Labour, for sure. It probably does reflect a lack of enthusiasm for Starmers party.

there was one election the same night when a seat held by the tories only returned 4% of the votes for said party.

 

[oryx]

Incoming

The conference should be, ahem, interesting.

 

[redsquirrel]

Yes, that's a fair point; obviously small turnouts at ward level are only ever of limited value in discerning the bigger picture, but they can give clues about the geography of support and they do represent real voters actually bothering to put a cross in the ballot paper box....so I think I will continue to post any that catch my eye.

On the more macro scale, I see that Britain Elects (NS) have today published their latest modelling for Westminster outcome based on tracker polling etc.

Sorry brogdale but KB is right.

The mis-use of council by-election results was crap when used against Corbyn, it is crap when used against Starmer.
These are contest that the vast majority of people simply don't care about. Council results are not really a good predictor for Westminster when you have the full council elections, trying to use by-elections like these is building on sand.

 

[brogdale]

Sorry brogdale but KB is right.

The mis-use of council by-election results was crap when used against Corbyn, it is crap when used against Starmer.
These are contest that the vast majority of people simply don't care about. Council results are not really a good predictor for Westminster when you have the full council elections, trying to use by-elections like these is building on sand.

That's fine and I'm not that fussed about the issue tbh...not a biggie either way.
That said, I'm aware of and happy to discuss the psephological value of council by-election results, but I'm really not bothered about whether or not they've been used as a weapon by opponents of various factions.
One thing I do remember from my distant days organising campaigning within a CLP was that by-elections were usually taken pretty seriously and, although obviously prone to distortion by hyper-local factors, were also something of a barometer of the health, size, organisation and motivation of the CLP involved as well as the base national sentiment. Seeing >30% taken off a candidate (election on election) would be taken seriously by region and they do take note of by-elections.
Anyway...onward and upward...if folks don't think they're of any use, that's also fine.

 

[The39thStep]

Dan Jarvis is not going to contest the Mayoral elections in South Yorkshire next year. Be interesting to see if he has any wider ambition.

 

[brogdale]

So, ditching Miliband’s OMOV and back to the 3thirds electoral college, then?

Apparently before the next NEC...more of the ruthless right.

 

[andysays]

So, ditching Miliband’s OMOV and back to the 3thirds electoral college, then?

Apparently before the next NEC...more of the ruthless right.

Looks like it

Starmer warned Labour leadership rule changes risk 'civil war'​

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer will re-open a bitter internal dispute just days ahead of his party's conference. In a risky move, he'll try to convince trade unions to back a plan to scrap the leadership rules which enabled predecessor Jeremy Corbyn to get elected.

Currently grassroots members elect the leader - a system introduced by Ed Miliband.But Sir Keir wants to return to an "electoral college", which would ordinary Labour Party members would only account for a third of the votes in a future leadership contest

 

[magneze]

Just . How is that ever going to be passed?

 

[brogdale]

Just . How is that ever going to be passed?

There can be no socialism in the democratic socialist party.

 

[andysays]

There can be no socialism in the democratic socialist party.

Not much democracy either, if Starmer gets his way...

 

[belboid]

Just . How is that ever going to be passed?

by finding a way to bribe Unison, GMB and USDAW leaderships to nod it through. No chance otherwise and they'll need all three.

 

[teqniq]

My estimation of Starmer is moving from 'fucking useless' to 'scum' - along with the people around him as well.

 

[magneze]

"We spend too much time talking to ourselves"

Yes, why is that Keith? Why do you think? Muppet.

 

[steveseagull]

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[steveseagull]

Should someone tell Keith he is building the gallows for his own execution? The guy is an absolute idiot.

 

[steveseagull]

Keith is going in proper hard on the Jews now

 

[Shechemite]

First they came for the wrong sort of Jews

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Should someone tell Keith he is building the gallows for his own execution? The guy is an absolute idiot.

depends really what he's there for.

destroy the party and get a peerage from that twat johnson? plan on course...

 

[TopCat]

depends really what he's there for.

destroy the party and get a peerage from that twat johnson? plan on course...

The kinnock strategy.

 

[Gramsci]

Keith is going in proper hard on the Jews now

This is worth reading as viewpoint of JVL.

Beyond a fringe: JVL in Jewish Experience and Tradition

In this article written especially for us, JVL support officer Murray Glickman reflects on the Jewish experience of diaspora, oppression…

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk

I've met a few of them as I'm in Lambeth. Some are supporters of local PSC.

The article goes into tradition that goes back to Bundism rather than Zionism.

it is also worth noting that the vast majority of Jews living in Britain today are descendants of this immigration wave. Jewish socialists and trade unionists took their ideas — including their Bundist ideas — with them wherever they went (see, for example, the case of Clara Lemlich in the US). Their settlement in Britain coincided with the emergence of our Labour Party and trade unions as a major political force, a development to which these immigrants and their children made a significant contribution.

So far from Jews from this political background being non mainstream those who look to Bund as inspiration are historically mainstream in Labour movement. Even if Starmer rejects this.

 

[steveseagull]

 

[Jeff Robinson]

There can be no socialism in the democratic socialist party.

Or democracy.

 

[ska invita]

The parties are shit too

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Democratic Revisionist Socialist Starmer Party Clique

 

[Jeff Robinson]

New video from Loach: "(the revisionist Starmer Clique) represent the interests of the ruling class and in fact they are now the biggest obstacle to change, they are a bigger obstacle than the Tory party"

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Just . How is that ever going to be passed?

This is what I am wondering? He needs the big unions on his side right? Why would they vote for this?

 

[steveseagull]

How are they this bad? Keith's 14,000 word missive has been leaked and there has allegedly been threats issued from Team Keith.

 

[steveseagull]

Apparently his missive is 12,300 words, not 14,000. Lying bastard.

 

[two sheds]

So what was the threat? "I'll fucking 'av you "?