Keir Starmer's time is up

[Gramsci]

On Palestine. Here is the present leadership line. In summary do nothing and imply those who give support to Palestinians stoke up hate.

So in practise a Starmer government would never contemplate stopping arms sales to State of Israel. But would send strongly worded letter to them if needed. Which of course they would take on board. Its a policy of letting Israeli governments and settlers get on with what they want to do.

Frankly crap Imo.

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Read today ex advisor to Blair saying one mistake in the Afghan conflict was not to talk to Taliban. He said example of Ireland was that until IRA was included in talks no peace process could gain traction.

So Lisa Nandy just saying Hamas are proscribed terrorist organisation doesn't cut it.



Maybe Lisa Nandy should read this.

The lesson we failed to learn from 9/11: peace is impossible if we don’t talk to our enemies | Jonathan Powell

We should have engaged with the Taliban 20 years ago, but we thought the winner takes all, says Tony Blair’s former chief of staff, Jonathan Powell

www.theguardian.com

Downside of war on terror was that it meant that numerous groups were labelled as terrorist and so should not be talked to. This didn't help to solve conflicts.

Powell article should be required reading.

Along with this.

‘Blacklisting’ terrorist groups: the post-9/11 strategy that only serves to prolong wars | Sophie Haspeslagh

The blunt-edged, security-oriented approach allows little space to tackle the root causes of violence and find resolution, says academic Sophie Haspeslagh

www.theguardian.com

 

[gosub]

Little bit communism that.

Think of the centrist dads etc.

its not though. Had this row in the pub.

It not the poorest that end paying for it. Its the poorest that end up receiving it.
Arguing over who pays the bill secondary.

 

[brogdale]

its not though. Had this row in the pub.

It not the poorest that end paying for it. Its the poorest that end up receiving it.
Arguing over who pays the bill secondary.

Not really.
If the proposal really does include a lifetime cap of £86k, the major beneficiaries of the scheme would be the wealthy who's longevity in care requires state support over and above the £86k, thus protecting the bulk of their estate.

 

[gosub]

Not really.
If the proposal really does include a lifetime cap of £86k, the major beneficiaries of the scheme would be the wealthy who's longevity in care requires state support over and above the £86k, thus protecting the bulk of their estate.

Statistically unlikely. the 85k limit is on the medical aspect - you might ask yourself rightly what happened to cradle to the grave , but medical side is unlikely to reach 85k,. Doesn't cover the accommodation side of things at all, they've left scope for the people farmers to carry on as they have been. Care home owners can can continue with their game of monopoly....

This money is going into actual social care side of things, you know the actual care side of it provided by people whom would economically better off switching to stacking shelves down the local supermarket.


The sector is fucked, if you've had to have dealings with it you'd know it. Really should be discussion on how to reform it to make it work rather than the sloped shoulders of how its someone else's responsibility to pay for sorting it.

 

[brogdale]

Starmer working well for the LDs?

 

[brogdale]

Maybe the bulk of the 18% (and growing) is for Rashford?

 

[brogdale]

Meanwhile...losing team "Nebulous" lick their wounds and decide who's to blame...

 

[MickiQ]

Maybe the bulk of the 18% (and growing) is for Rashford?

He'll be the switch to other (probably more of it than LD's) the 18% are going to be the "A Plague On All Your Houses" vote

 

[gosub]

Maybe the bulk of the 18% (and growing) is for Rashford?

 

[TopCat]

I trusted Keir Starmer – until I saw how he handled Jeremy Corbyn’s suspension | Len McCluskey

If the Labour leader continues on the course he is presently charting, I fear for the party’s chances at the next election, says former Unite general secretary Len McCluskey

www.theguardian.com

 

[ska invita]

I trusted Keir Starmer – until I saw how he handled Jeremy Corbyn’s suspension | Len McCluskey

If the Labour leader continues on the course he is presently charting, I fear for the party’s chances at the next election, says former Unite general secretary Len McCluskey

www.theguardian.com

One bit in that it says "Labour" (someone at Labour) says there is no legal case being brought by Corbyn against the party, despite Len saying the opposite. I have a vague memory of Corbyn himself say he would challenge it through law. I would love to know what cases are being brought fighting back against the Purge. Its coming up to a year now since Corbyn got booted out

 

[teqniq]

Just

Labour “nothing to say on racial justice”

Labour’s most senior black politician quit after falling out with Keir Starmer over race equality...

www.voice-online.co.uk

 

[oryx]

Just

Labour “nothing to say on racial justice”

Labour’s most senior black politician quit after falling out with Keir Starmer over race equality...

www.voice-online.co.uk

Interesting, and concerning.

 

[brogdale]

tbf to Starmer, he has nothing to say on anything else, either...there is a consistency.

 

[killer b]

One bit in that it says "Labour" (someone at Labour) says there is no legal case being brought by Corbyn against the party, despite Len saying the opposite. I have a vague memory of Corbyn himself say he would challenge it through law. I would love to know what cases are being brought fighting back against the Purge. Its coming up to a year now since Corbyn got booted out

I imagine what happened was Corbyn consulted a lawyer, and discovered that he doesn't have a case, so there won't be one.

 

[ska invita]

Just

Labour “nothing to say on racial justice”

Labour’s most senior black politician quit after falling out with Keir Starmer over race equality...

www.voice-online.co.uk

Thanks for posting that. I only had read about it in the Guardian. FASCINATING difference between the two pieces

Labour’s shadow equalities secretary quits as does shadow women’s minister

Marsha de Cordova departs to focus on her marginal constituency of Battersea

www.theguardian.com

 

[steveseagull]

He has gone in hard on the environmentalists now, which I image is quite a high percentage of people who would vote for him.. There cannot be many people he has not pissed off now

 

[RileyOBlimey]

Meanwhile...losing team "Nebulous" lick their wounds and decide who's to blame...

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That looks a lot like they’re sitting outside the Corbyn cafe.

 

[brogdale]

Starmerism still going down a storm in redwallland; this time Middlesbrough.
Coming third in a two-horse race is some achievement.

 

[killer b]

Starmerism still going down a storm in redwallland; this time Middlesbrough.
Coming third in a two-horse race is some achievement.

google suggests while the previous councillor had been elected as Labour, she's sat as part of Middlesborough Independent Group since last year, and the by-election was called after her death from cancer. The new councillor was backed by the Middlesborough Independents. The seat is held by the independents rather than lost by Labour.

 

[brogdale]

google suggests while the previous councillor had been elected as Labour, she's sat as part of Middlesborough Independent Group since last year, and the by-election was called after her death from cancer. The new councillor was backed by the Middlesborough Independents. The seat is held by the independents rather than lost by Labour.

Very useful info that casts the result is a slightly less bleak light for Starmer, but only slightly.

e2a: from >50% to <22% for the LP badged candidate doesn't look too good.

 

[brogdale]

Again, I don't know that electoral geography of Sheffield well, but this result (also from last night) looks like the LP got home by the skin of their teeth.

 

[Chz]

That's more the Jared O'Mara effect than anyone caring what KS has to say, imo.

 

[brogdale]

That's more the Jared O'Mara effect than anyone caring what KS has to say, imo.

OK, don't know enough to dispute that, but that might also be a convenient cover for trends that are emerging more commonly?

 

[killer b]

Very useful info that casts the result is a slightly less bleak light for Starmer, but only slightly.

e2a: from >50% to <22% for the LP badged candidate doesn't look too good.

every time you post these kinds of council by election results with huge drops for Labour, there's a local issue that explains it beyond keir starmer is uniquely awful. Council seats often switch to independent or to other parties with minimal input from the national parties

Keir Starmer is a terrible leader and I doubt it's helping, but posting these raw % figures as if they say anything at all is just noise really.

here's some more results from this week:

Labour gaining votes in South Tyneside!



They must love Kier Starmer in North East Derbyshire!

 

[brogdale]

every time you post these kinds of council by election results with huge drops for Labour, there's a local issue that explains it beyond keir starmer is uniquely awful. Council seats often switch to independent or to other parties with minimal input from the national parties

Keir Starmer is a terrible leader and I doubt it's helping, but posting these raw % figures as if they say anything at all is just noise really.

here's some more results from this week:

Labour gaining votes in South Tyneside!



They must love Kier Starmer in North East Derbyshire!

Yes, that's a fair point; obviously small turnouts at ward level are only ever of limited value in discerning the bigger picture, but they can give clues about the geography of support and they do represent real voters actually bothering to put a cross in the ballot paper box....so I think I will continue to post any that catch my eye.

On the more macro scale, I see that Britain Elects (NS) have today published their latest modelling for Westminster outcome based on tracker polling etc.

 

[killer b]

Yes, that's a fair point; obviously small turnouts at ward level are only ever of limited value in discerning the bigger picture, but they can give clues about the geography of support and they do represent real voters actually bothering to put a cross in the ballot paper box....so I think I will continue to post any that catch my eye.

But any 'clues' you're gleaning from a britain elects tweet could be totally false and the result of local events or personalities - surely it's best to quickly check if there's anything obvious before adding it to the 'doesn't look good for starmer!' pile? If nothing else you'd avoid me picking you up on it every time.

 

[brogdale]

But any 'clues' you're gleaning from a britain elects tweet could be totally false and the result of local events or personalities - surely it's best to quickly check if there's anything obvious before adding it to the 'doesn't look good for starmer!' pile? If nothing else you'd avoid me picking you up on it every time.

Carry on killer b

 

[steveseagull]

Less than an hour after the NEC were assured nothing like the Jess Barnard fiasco would happen again, the unhinged wing of the Labour Party have tried to put an MP under investigation, helpfully telling her that she should keep her mouth shut and talk to the Samaritans if she needed to.

Unite's lawyers got involved and it was rescinded and fobbed off as another 'admin error'.

Just imagine the Labour hard right running the country....

 

[steveseagull]