Kamala Harris' time is up

[two sheds]

not like the trump style at all

 

[Yossarian]

She seems to be leaning a little heavily into the "Oldie McOldster is too old to be president" angle for somebody who was until very recently insisting that Biden would be fine to stay in the job until he's 86

 

[klang]

She seems to be leaning a little heavily into the "Oldie McOldster is too old to be president" angle for somebody who was until very recently insisting that Biden would be fine to stay in the job until he's 86

Was thinking similar, as well as firing out cheap gotcha points which i find off-putting, but then i find plenty of things about the Democrats and US style election campaigning deeply off-putting, so I'm probably the wrong person to comment.

 

[two sheds]

More effective with Trump than the "they go low we go high" approach I think. And she does talk about policies.

 

[klang]

And she does talk about policies.

Yes she does

 

[krtek a houby]

Was thinking similar, as well as firing out cheap gotcha points which i find off-putting, but then i find plenty of things about the Democrats and US style election campaigning deeply off-putting, so I'm probably the wrong person to comment.

Some of the advisors might have suggested to fight fire with fire?

Am not in favour of the ageism at all, but at the same time, the MAGA line of attack has now backfired...

 

[Aladdin]

So the Obamas phoned Harris and offered support.. Live on tv.

 

[Aladdin]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://news.sky.com/video/us-election-barack-and-michelle-obama-couldnt-be-prouder-to-endorse-kamala-harris-for-president-13185191&ved=2ahUKEwjxnpuFrcSHAxVgZ0EAHeANKv4Qo7QBegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1kEQgwyUT4MQiY1L5-H6DH

Here's the video online.

 

[krtek a houby]

So the Obamas phoned Harris and offered support.. Live on tv.

Clever move and it will infuriate the right people.

 

[moochedit]

Yep just saw this

BBC News - Obamas endorse Kamala Harris for president

Barack Obama endorses Kamala Harris for president

Barack and Michelle Obama say Ms Harris has the "strength that this critical moment demands".

www.bbc.com

 

[Rompipalle]

So the Obamas phoned Harris and offered support.. Live on tv.

Splendid stuff.

 

[starfish]

Clever move and it will infuriate the right people.

Especially the far right people.

 

[barlimo]

Yep just saw this

BBC News - Obamas endorse Kamala Harris for president

Barack Obama endorses Kamala Harris for president

Barack and Michelle Obama say Ms Harris has the "strength that this critical moment demands".

www.bbc.com

Great, but why so slow about it?

 

[JimW]

Great, but why so slow about it?

Maximise impact (might have been a bit lost in initial hoopla), confirm whole party on board?

 

[kabbes]

“And we’re going to have some fun with this too, aren’t we?” is a rhetorically brilliant way to end that conversation. If nothing else, she is a very, very shrewd political operator.

 

[Silas Loom]

Maximise impact (might have been a bit lost in initial hoopla), confirm whole party on board?

Maybe the Obamas genuinely needed some time - and some recent polls - to be persuaded?

 

[VivaE]

 

[JimW]

Maybe the Obamas genuinely needed some time - and some recent polls - to be persuaded?

Yes, that too. What I meant a bit by the second bit; sure they were part of high level Dem discussions about candidate possibilities.

 

[andysays]

Great, but why so slow about it?

As mentioned above, Obama didn't declare his support for Biden until B had been confirmed as the official Democrat candidate, which Harris still hasn't, so if you really want to make a comparison you should rather be asking "why so quick about it?"

 

[moochedit]

As mentioned above, Obama didn't declare his support for Biden until B had been confirmed as the official Democrat candidate, which Harris still hasn't, so if you really want to make a comparison you should rather be asking "why so quick about it?"

Not looking like anyone else is throwing their hat in the ring. A survey of delegates found a majority were backing harris. So maybe obama thought what the hell.

 

[barlimo]

Maximise impact (might have been a bit lost in initial hoopla), confirm whole party on board?

As mentioned above, Obama didn't declare his support for Biden until B had been confirmed as the official Democrat candidate, which Harris still hasn't, so if you really want to make a comparison you should rather be asking "why so quick about it?"

So, he was playing it safe.

 

[andysays]

Not looking like anyone else is throwing their hat in the ring. A survey of delegates found a majority were backing harris. So maybe obama thought what the hell.

To be clear, I'm not asking the question.

Barring miracles, it looks like Harris will be the candidate, so no reason why he shouldn't declare his support now.

 

[Aladdin]

Obama might have been waiting until after Biden's last speech. Out of respect for Biden

 

[andysays]

So, he was playing it safe.

What I read was that as an "elder statesman" he didn't want to express a personal opinion until the view of the party was clear, because of the danger of his opinion influencing others unduly.

 

[danny la rouge]

Does it actually matter?

 

[andysays]

Does it actually matter?

Obama's support?

I guess it matters in as much as if he doesn't back Harris, people will be asking why not.

See, eg, the tweet from Trump's campaign above

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I hope she leans into what a coward Trump for the rest of the campaign. Its a win-win strategy. If he responds by refusing to debate her, it just affirms the charge. If he takes the bait, she'll stamp on his head so fucking hard he'll look like an orange after its been pulped in a citrus juicer.

 

[danny la rouge]

Obama's support?

Its timing.

 

[andysays]

Its timing.

I think the timing is important, or at least significant.

If he'd given his support too early, it might have looked as if he was trying to influence the party or the process unduly.

But if he'd waited too long after it became clear that Harris will be the candidate, even though it hasn't been officially confirmed, then people like barlimo and the Trump campaign cited above would have the opportunity to continue suggesting that he wasn't endorsing her because he thinks she's a Marxist fraud who can't beat Trump.

It isn't the most important thing, but it is significant, IMO, that he's done it now rather than waiting until the whole selection process is officially over.

 

[Rompipalle]

That aged well...