Kamala Harris' time is up

[krtek a houby]

We do..

What stupid shit has Trump done today?

Wondered why there was a Civil War. "People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why?" Trump said during the edition of "Main Street Meets the Beltway" scheduled to air on SiriusXM. "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one...

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I need to put more sarcasm in some of my posts

 

[ska invita]

absolutely was ageist (and demonstrably inaccurate - both of them write and speak cogently the vast majority of the time).

Yes true (apart from Trump of course )

They work long hours. I couldn't even just walk around behind them not doing anything and not be exhausted. They must be on drugs, Im sure of it

 

[Rompipalle]

He's uninteresting to you (and me). But he's not performing for us, is he.

I dislike Jimmy Carr's standup, that's not the same thing as saying what he does is unskilled.

I think, far from seeing Trump as what he is, you've allowed your dislike of him and what he represents to cloud your judgment. That's not an insult, it's an assessment.

There are skills which are necessary - or even essential - for certain situations/careers. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are interchangeable.

Like you, I dislike Jimmy Carr, but given he is a stand-up comedian, I suppose what he does and how he does it is appropriate for that line of work. If he was a funeral director, I doubt it would be quite so apt.

Trump is supposed to be a presidential candidate, not a performing seal. As a bare minimum, I'd suggest that candidates for the role of President of the USA should be diplomatic and able to grasp intricate and delicate concepts quickly. Trump can do neither of these things.

I can dislike people for their personal conduct or attitudes but still admire their professional abilities. Several decades in paid employment tends to expose one to a lot of that sort of situation. I just don't see that there's anything to admire about what you seem to see as Trump's strengths.

I know exactly what Trump is. My personal dislike of him is neither here nor there. It's simply the truth.

 

[moochedit]

I need to put more sarcasm in some of my posts

Oh sorry

 

[Rob Ray]

Trump is supposed to be a presidential candidate, not a performing seal.

You and I clearly have different ideas about what a wannabe president on a campaign trail's primary role is. He's there to perform. Policy comes a distant second when whipping up a crowd and always has. Not understanding this is a key reason why the left loses.

 

[Rompipalle]

A cretin is a derogatory outdated term fo a person who suffers from the consequences of an underactive thyroid gland.

In its literal sense, it goes somewhat beyond mere underactivity but it is no longer a term used to describe congenital hypothyroidism. It is also now a condition which has been almost eliminated in developed countries, as a result of screening of newborn infants.

It is generally used simply as a pejorative insult and I think it is clear that is the context in which I used it.

 

[krtek a houby]

Fair enough, though I would note there that one of the things Dems frequently do is overlook (deliberately or no) when he's having a bit of a nod and a wink to his audience. Which helps work their own base but also his. Does he actually think nuking hurricanes is a serious policy proposal? Depends who you're talking to.

Having spoken to Trump/MAGA/conspiracy types both in person and online over the last decade, at this stage its really hard to tell who is serious and who is not. Some of his more outrageous suggestions may well be just to own the libs, for sure. But at the end of the day, hes a dangerous racist narcicist dictator in the making and all those nods and winks arent going to be so amusing, come the second go at being PoTUS...

The violence, threats of violence, kidnap, rape and murder from his extreme followers isnt going to disappear come November, whoever wins.

Somethings changed horribly over the last decade. The thin veneer of intelligent, "civilised" politics has been shed and now we have a return to angry, accusatory and deadly populist rhetoric. Some of it masquerading as humour.

Sorry for rant. Will be bumping into some of these clowns over the next few days and not particularly looking forward to it.

 

[Rompipalle]

You and I clearly have different ideas about what a wannabe president on a campaign trail's primary role is. He's there to perform. Policy comes a distant second when whipping up a crowd and always has. Not understanding this is a key reason why the left loses.

Very clearly we do.

However, even when he successfully gained the presidency previously, he didn't subsequently metamorphose into a serious statesman with his finger on the pulse of the nation/world.

He just carried on in the same vein, saying and doing stupid things for four long years. There is evidence of this, so it's not merely spurious speculation over how unsuitable he is - we've all seen it already.

 

[klang]

In its literal sense, it goes somewhat beyond mere underactivity but it is no longer a term used to describe congenital hypothyroidism. It is also now a condition which has been almost eliminated in developed countries, as a result of screening of newborn infants.

It is generally used simply as a pejorative insult and I think it is clear that is the context in which I used it.

Cretin away then. Spazz and mong also available in the right context of course.

 

[Rompipalle]

Cretin away then. Spazz and mong also available in the right context of course.

In case you feel I'm just casually bandying around unacceptable terminology please note that the dictionary appears to consider that the primary definition of the term is the context in which I used it.

I do not and never have used either of the other terms you have mentioned.

 

[Yossarian]

Trump's just a loudmouth know-nothing arsehole but he's very good at what he does and there's a big graveyard full of the political careers of people who have underestimated him, from Jeb Bush to Hillary Clinton to Joe Biden - I'm hoping Kamala Harris doesn't join that list

 

[Rob Ray]

Very clearly we do.

However, even when he successfully gained the presidency previously, he didn't subsequently metamorphose into a serious statesman with his finger on the pulse of the nation/world.

He just carried on in the same vein, saying and doing stupid things for four long years. There is evidence of this, so it's not merely spurious speculation over how unsuitable he is - we've all seen it already.

Of course he's unreliable. As for unsuited, nobody is. There's yet to be a US president in modern history who hasn't been a straight up war criminal ffs. But the job interview, and thus the thing you actually need to be good at is persuading just enough people, in the right places, to vote for you rather than the other guy. And Trump has managed to make it a neck and neck race, which implies either that he's not as incompetent as you think, or that the Dems are considerably more so.

 

[two sheds]

And Trump has managed to make it a neck and neck race, which implies either that he's not as incompetent as you think, or that the Dems are considerably more so.

I think we may have found grounds for agreement

 

[kabbes]

There are skills which are necessary - or even essential - for certain situations/careers. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are interchangeable.

Like you, I dislike Jimmy Carr, but given he is a stand-up comedian, I suppose what he does and how he does it is appropriate for that line of work. If he was a funeral director, I doubt it would be quite so apt.

Trump is supposed to be a presidential candidate, not a performing seal. As a bare minimum, I'd suggest that candidates for the role of President of the USA should be diplomatic and able to grasp intricate and delicate concepts quickly. Trump can do neither of these things.

I can dislike people for their personal conduct or attitudes but still admire their professional abilities. Several decades in paid employment tends to expose one to a lot of that sort of situation. I just don't see that there's anything to admire about what you seem to see as Trump's strengths.

I know exactly what Trump is. My personal dislike of him is neither here nor there. It's simply the truth.

You're shifting the goalposts, from "Trump is an idiot" to "Trump is a bad president". I don't think there are many here who would disagree that Trump was and would be again a bad president. But what's that got do do with whether he is an idiot?

 

[Rompipalle]

You're shifting the goalposts, from "Trump is an idiot" to "Trump is a bad president". I don't think there are many here who would disagree that Trump was and would be again a bad president. But what's that got do do with whether he is an idiot?

No I'm not. The statements are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Rompipalle]

Of course he's unreliable. As for unsuited, nobody is. There's yet to be a US president in modern history who hasn't been a straight up war criminal ffs. But the job interview, and thus the thing you actually need to be good at is persuading just enough people, in the right places, to vote for you rather than the other guy. And Trump has managed to make it a neck and neck race, which implies either that he's not as incompetent as you think, or that the Dems are considerably more so.

Not sure it's going to be neck and neck from now on.

 

[Rob Ray]

Not sure it's going to be neck and neck from now on.

I'm not sure a black female Washington insider, known for being a bit on the awkward side, in a country with a long history of not voting for women, black people or awkward political wonks is quite the ace in the hole you seem to think. But hey, predictions are for the birds at this stage.

 

[Rompipalle]

I'm not sure a black female Washington insider, known for being a bit on the awkward side, in a country with a long history of not voting for women, black people or awkward political wonks is quite the ace in the hole you seem to think.

I do wish you would stop trying to tell me what I "seem to think".

 

[kabbes]

No I'm not. The statements are not mutually exclusive.

Things that are independent are, by definition, not mutually exclusive. I'm saying that whether Trump is a bad president or not is irrelevant to whether Trump is an idiot. Not that they are mutually exclusive.

 

[Rob Ray]

I do wish you would stop trying to tell me what I "seem to think".

My apologies if I misinterpreted the line:

Not sure it's going to be neck and neck from now on.

to mean you thought Harris would pull away from Trump. Did you mean Trump would pull away from Harris then?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Trump's just a loudmouth know-nothing arsehole but he's very good at what he does and there's a big graveyard full of the political careers of people who have underestimated him, from Jeb Bush to Hillary Clinton to Joe Biden - I'm hoping Kamala Harris doesn't join that list

I don't think Biden is on that list tbf. He won in 2020 and he'd have been in trouble this year whoever was the Republican candidate. His faculties are very publicly waning. I think there's an argument here that the Democrats would have been more vulnerable this year against a more capable Republican candidate. The cost of living crisis has resulted in kickings for incumbents around the world.

 

[Signal 11]

There are some fascinating insights/opinions in this article about how sections of the capitalist class see Harris's and Vance's ' anti trust' positions

JD Vance and Kamala Harris scramble US dealmakers’ election strategies

Bipartisan realignment of antitrust stance shakes up corporate expectations of Republicans and Democrats

www.ft.com

https://archive.ph/k7tUY

But Mark Meador, partner at Kressin Meador Powers and visiting fellow at the rightwing Heritage Foundation think-tank, said alarm over Vance was testament to his calibre. “If I’m on Wall Street, I’m concerned that one of the brightest and most articulate [voices] for the populist version of conservatism now has a seat at the table in the White House and the president’s ear,” he said.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't think Biden is on that list tbf. He won in 2020 and he'd have been in trouble this year whoever was the Republican candidate. His faculties are very publicly waning. I think there's an argument here that the Democrats would have been more vulnerable this year against a more capable Republican candidate. The cost of living crisis has resulted in kickings for incumbents around the world.

He'd definitely be in trouble in November but I think he'd still be the Democratic nominee if he hadn't walked into a trap and challenged Trump to a debate much earlier than presidential debates are usually held

 

[JimW]

So that's where the chunk of lobe ended up.

 

[Rompipalle]

My apologies if I misinterpreted the line:


to mean you thought Harris would pull away from Trump. Did you mean Trump would pull away from Harris then?

What I mean is that there is still a long way to go and there is a lot that can happen between now and the results being known. An awful lot, in fact.

That's what is implied by my words "not sure...".

 

[Rompipalle]

Things that are independent are, by definition, not mutually exclusive. I'm saying that whether Trump is a bad president or not is irrelevant to whether Trump is an idiot. Not that they are mutually exclusive.

Perhaps I misinterpreted your meaning then.

He is an idiot and he WAS a bad president.

 

[Rob Ray]

What I mean is that there is still a long way to go and there is a lot that can happen between now and the results being known. An awful lot, in fact.

That's what is implied by my words "not sure...".

And the winky face ...

(I'm not sure why I'm indulging this tbh, mild amusement maybe)

 

[Yossarian]

If I met somebody in the pub and they spouted a lot of crap even a quarter as bad as what Trump comes out with on a daily basis I'd definitely walk away thinking they were an idiot

 

[Rompipalle]

And the winky face ...

(I'm not sure why I'm indulging this tbh, mild amusement maybe)

Well I'm not detaining you, if you have somewhere else you'd rather be.

You do rather seem to be interpreting everything I say rather strangely. I accept that you don't know me as I'm very new here and still finding my feet but it would be nice if you stopped trying to trip me up with every post, because it's beginning to feel a teeny bit that way.

... and I'm sorry, I do keep forgetting that this is a thread about Kamala Harris - not Trump, so perhaps it might be better if I confine my comments about Trump to a more appropriate thread, of which there appear to be several.

Neutral smiley face >>>

 

[danny la rouge]

Perhaps I misinterpreted your meaning then.

He is an idiot and he WAS a bad president.

There’s a lot of layers to this. Yes, objectively Trump is an unstable, narcissistic, ignorant, inept, “orange manbaby”. But that was all objectively known before he was elected last time, and yet to my astonishment he was.

He clearly struck a chord then and does so now. There are people out there he speaks to, and there’s no point thinking “but if I can see he’s a clown why can’t others?” because you’re not those others.

The next point is the role of president. What actually is it? What sort of person does well in it? And what is doing “well” in those contexts?

If you are on the YouGov panel, you’ll know that a question polls often ask is of the format: “do you think Rishi Sunak is doing well as leader of the Conservative Party?”

How is one supposed to answer that? Yes, he’s great at being a Tory prick. But I don’t like Tory pricks. Do I answer that I think he’s a fantastic Tory prick? Or as if the question was is he a competent person? Or is being Tory leader actually about personal competence? Is that what’s called for in the role? Look at those still wanting Boris Johnson to return!

So the question isn’t whether you’d pick Trump or Harris to look after your record store while you’re at the wholesaler. It’s what is going on in the social anthropology and the electoral statistics of the electorate.