Just Stop Oil

[edcraw]

Nobody has suggested there is such a thing, various tendencies and political strategies have been discussed, not 'perfect things to protest about' ffs.

I imagine from that we've got fundamentally different politics, so not surprised we might have a different political strategy (if you have one?) on this issue.

My political strategy includes not moaning from the sidelines at others actually doing something and realising that there are many angles to tackle this from none of which will be perfect.

 

[Rob Ray]

There's generally a happy medium between pointless moaning and unhelpful indulgence where constructive critique and thoughtful solidarity is to be found. We all have a lean - I tend to err on the side of indulgence on the grounds my natural start point is being a grouchy old cunt, which imv is much the worse tendency. Plus hey, wtf do we know - it's not like any of us are successfully building anything world-changing atm.

 

[edcraw]

Bad - protesting about policies that are destroying the planet.

Good - criminal damage to cameras because you’re being charged to drive your polluting vehicle in a city.

Obviously this Tory hypocrisy is of no surprise to anyone but still worth highlighting.

Iain Duncan Smith calls for tougher punishment for eco protesters

Former Conservative leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith said injunctions were not proving a deterrent and called on police to issue on-the-spot fines instead.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sir Iain Duncan Smith backs 'blade runner' ULEZ vandals

Usually he prides himself on being tough on crime, but the former cabinet minister said he was 'happy' for his Chingford and Woodford Green constituency to destroy cameras.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[kabbes]

Burning Man lol update

Burning Man festival-goers trapped in desert as rain turns site to mud

Tens of thousands of ‘burners’ urged to conserve food and water as rain and flash floods sweep Nevada

www.theguardian.com

Organizers responding to the unusual weather indicated the closures could endure, as local reports described the conditions at the festival as “treacherous” with “thick, slimy mud that clung to shoes and anything else it touched”.

 

[LDC]

Nature always does the best blockades.

 

[Artaxerxes]

 

[redsquirrel]

Burning Man lol update

Burning Man festival-goers trapped in desert as rain turns site to mud

Tens of thousands of ‘burners’ urged to conserve food and water as rain and flash floods sweep Nevada

www.theguardian.com

Tara Saylor, an attendee from Ojai, California, faced the threat of the hurricane as well as a 5.1-magnitude earthquake that shook her city before she left, reported the Los Angeles Times. Saylor told the newspaper she’s seen the founders of two different companies at Burning Man this year, but added, “it doesn’t matter how much money you have, nobody can do anything about it. There’s no planes, there’s no buses.”

I think you'd have to be a very very nice human being not to have serious schadenfraude at this situation

 

[editor]

I think you'd have to be a very very nice human being not to have serious schadenfraude at this situation

If only they'd held the festival somewhere that had a decent road/rail infrastructure

 

[kenny g]

There have been false rumours of an ebola outbreak going on apparently. One theory is all the rain has brought it out from where it has been living dormant in the soil! (Edit to correct)

 

[editor]

There's an ebola outbreak going on apparently. One theory is all the rain has brought it out from where it has been living dormant in the soil!

That's just the internet being silly, althoug people are getting sick

No, There’s Not An Ebola Outbreak At Burning Man

Some social media users claim an Ebola outbreak has started at Burning Man. But it’s simply not true.

www.forbes.com

 

[DotCommunist]

dress and equip for desert, find yourself in ypres conditions. lol.

 

[editor]

 

[Orang Utan]

Disappointed they haven’t disrupted the rugby, or do they only protest in the UK?

 

[Orang Utan]

I would have thought it was devastatingly obvious why Nevada doesn't make much money from the festival.

And roughing it? You're having a laugh. I've lived in far far worse flats than many of the RVs you'll see at the festival. Some RVs are positively luxurious.

Here's what the inside of Burning Man's luxury camps for billionaires and celebrities looks like

Susan Sarandon and Suki Waterhouse stayed at a luxury Burning Man camp site back in 2015 — but even VIPs had to use an outhouse.

www.businessinsider.com

Roughing it in a RV

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How to Experience the Burning Man in Luxury: A Guide for the Rich and Famous

The Burning Man is a week-long festival of art, culture, community, and self-expression in the Nevada desert. It’s an amazing and…

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Burning Man - Galavante (Travel & Lifestyle Website)

Ever wanted to experience Burning Man for yourself? If so, we have all the details and expert tips for how to do it right.

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Would have thought you’d have loved Burning Man, what with your barnet:

Yes, it’s OK to laugh at wealthy Burning Man attendees mired in muck | Moira Donegan

Maybe it feels satisfying to see the US elite in discomfort because we’re so unlikely to see them face accountability in normal life

www.theguardian.com

 

[edcraw]

Disappointed they haven’t disrupted the rugby, or do they only protest in the UK?

JSO are a UK organisation targeting the UK government but they are part of this international network:

A22 Network

We are the Last Generation. We will do whatever it takes. To protect our generation and all future generations. As is our inalienable right.

a22network.org

 

[editor]

Would have thought you’d have loved Burning Man, what with your barnet:

Yes, it’s OK to laugh at wealthy Burning Man attendees mired in muck | Moira Donegan

Maybe it feels satisfying to see the US elite in discomfort because we’re so unlikely to see them face accountability in normal life

www.theguardian.com

Given its corporate, Silicon Valley following you'd probably be far more likely to find people with normal haircuts. A bit like yours.

 

[PTK]

JSO are a UK organisation targeting the UK government but they are part of this international network:

A22 Network

We are the Last Generation. We will do whatever it takes. To protect our generation and all future generations. As is our inalienable right.

a22network.org

Blimey! They sound a little strange.

 

[8ball]

Blimey! They sound a little strange.

I think the most disappointing bit is where they start a sentence with “the old world is dying..”.

At least they seem to have run a spellcheck over their little screed.

 

[newme]

I think the most disappointing bit is where they start a sentence with “the old world is dying..”.

At least they seem to have run a spellcheck over their little screed.

Font choice could be better, I read it as ass network.

 

[8ball]

Font choice could be better, I read it as ass network.

Yeah, an odd choice that just appears in that one place.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The fundamental thing I don't understand about Just Stop Oil is why they're blocking traffic and graffitiing art? If they really believe that the climate crisis is as serious as they say (and its actually worse), then they should be doing more direct acts to disrupt oil such as blowing up pipelines and oil executive offices. At least then, a little bit of oil will be delayed entering the market. And its more rationally related to the goal than the methods they've used so far.

 

[Orang Utan]

The fundamental thing I don't understand about Just Stop Oil is why they're blocking traffic and graffitiing art? If they really believe that the climate crisis is as serious as they say (and its actually worse), then they should be doing more direct acts to disrupt oil such as blowing up pipelines and oil executive offices. At least then, a little bit of oil will be delayed entering the market.

I agree. We need a louder fire alarm.

 

[danny la rouge]

The fundamental thing I don't understand about Just Stop Oil is why they're blocking traffic and graffitiing art? If they really believe that the climate crisis is as serious as they say (and its actually worse), then they should be doing more direct acts to disrupt oil such as blowing up pipelines and oil executive offices. At least then, a little bit of oil will be delayed entering the market. And its more rationally related to the goal than the methods they've used so far.

Indeed. Their action is missing the “direct” bit.

 

[LDC]

The fundamental thing I don't understand about Just Stop Oil is why they're blocking traffic and graffitiing art? If they really believe that the climate crisis is as serious as they say (and its actually worse), then they should be doing more direct acts to disrupt oil such as blowing up pipelines and oil executive offices. At least then, a little bit of oil will be delayed entering the market. And its more rationally related to the goal than the methods they've used so far.

I'd say there's lots of reasons why; they're an offshoot of XR that have a specific strategy that doesn't involve those type of actions, maybe they think those type of actions will be politically damaging to the cause in the long run, those actions take a huge personal risk that maybe JSO people aren't willing to take, society has a tightly policed set of type of activities as 'acceptable' dissent, etc. They also lack lots of the avenues like strike action, workplace sabotage, etc. that other political movements have had.

There's a load of things happening that are horrendous, and plenty often don't result in actions like you mention for complex reasons.

Not saying I think JSO are right, but I can understand why they're doing the type of things they are.

 

[Orang Utan]

They’re also risking jail just for the actions they’re doing already, esp if they’re on private land owned by oil companies, with their injunctions n that

 

[LDC]

I think there's also something about fossil fuels and their usage, and both how on one hand they're totally integrated into daily use and are everywhere we look, yet on the other hand their actual extraction and production is very distant. This is one of the (many) factors that makes climate change very complex to 'take action' on.

It's a bit related to how Joshua Clover in Riot. Strike. Riot. said something about in years past the State was far and production was near (strike), whereas today the State is near and production is far (riot), and how that relates to the primary way people rebel.

 

[edcraw]

I’m not sure if people think blocking roads loses them support a full scale terrorist is going to win many over!!

 

[8ball]

The fundamental thing I don't understand about Just Stop Oil is why they're blocking traffic and graffitiing art?

Because fundamentally they believe the whole business can be resolved without much real fuss or nastiness.

 

[edcraw]

Because fundamentally they believe the whole business can be resolved without much real fuss or nastiness.

They really don’t. But if they start blowing shit up how the fuck is that going to help!? Just bizarre.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

They really don’t. But if they start blowing shit up how the fuck is that going to help!? Just bizarre.

Their business model is based on oil being cheaper and easier than other forms of energy. Disrupting oil supplies directly, raises the cost of oil. If the cost of oil rises above a certain point, then people will seek out alternatives. There are more creative ways to disrupt supply than blowing shit up. There was one guy who went to an oil lease sale and bought every lot, too bad he didn't have any money. It completely bunged up the sale. Others have occupied the offices of oil lease sales agents.

As far as being "liked" by the public goes, the oil companies have poured a lot of money and effort into demonizing the environmental movement. I don't see that changing if the method of protest changes to more direct efforts.

I'm not advocating for blowing shit up, per se. I'm advocating for more direct action that is rationally related to oil production and sales.