Just Stop Oil

[Yuwipi Woman]

Cowardice surely comes from selfishness and selfishness can include prioritising family & friends. Selfishness isn’t necessarily a bad thing. As mentioned that’s my reason for inaction.

Ain' no pleasing some folk.

 

[lazythursday]

I think ^this is one of the reasons I've had issues with JSO's approach. Their message sometimes feels like they're targeting working class people instead of the people who make the decisions. I don't know about anyone else, but I've had jobs where I would be reprimanded for fired if I was 5 minutes late. Usually, I had those jobs when I could least afford losing it.

I've come to see climate change as mainly a class issue. The change over is being hampered by upperclass people who aren't being affected as the global poor and workclass are/will be.

It absolutely is a class issue, and we need to somehow start making those who over consume our remaining carbon budget deeply uncomfortable. I'm just really not sure how.

My local area had riots over the poor laws a couple of hundred years ago. People marched around the valley and physically attacked the houses of mill owners, magistrates etc. It was clear who was responsible, who had power, and they were accessible. Now the upper classes are so insulated from the average person. I don't know how thos issue is tackled but I think it's what we need on climate.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

It absolutely is a class issue, and we need to somehow start making those who over consume our remaining carbon budget deeply uncomfortable. I'm just really not sure how.

My local area had riots over the poor laws a couple of hundred years ago. People marched around the valley and physically attacked the houses of mill owners, magistrates etc. It was clear who was responsible, who had power, and they were accessible. Now the upper classes are so insulated from the average person. I don't know how thos issue is tackled but I think it's what we need on climate.

I'm in the US. most people deny the existence of class entirely. Regardless of income, education, or vocation, everyone claims to being "middle class." Even fewer think there's a class war declared on the poor. Some are busy punching down themselves. Part of dealing with climate change will have to be raising awareness of who benefits from continued oil extraction.

 

[newme]

What sort of actions though? XR do tons of pickets of oil & financial companies with no coverage.

Coverage is not helping their cause.

 

[newme]

I suspect JSO might start upping the ante with their actions beore long. If they do, they'll get more attention than they would have if they hadn't built up the level of publicity they now have.

Nah if the cheese group blockaded oil refineries they would be very quickly known.

 

[kenny g]

Has an interesting take on JSO.

 

[LDC]

FFS, can you post some text with a video explaining what is roughly about? It might also help explain why you're posting such absolute bollocks from a YT channel that has zero importance or connection to anything on this thread.

 

[edcraw]

Has an interesting take on JSO.

Animation seems to have been done by AI - the words probably are as well!

 

[LDC]

Has an interesting take on JSO.

No it doesn't, it's a bunch of made-up shit with no grounding in reality. WTF are you posting such shit for kenny g?

 

[Rob Ray]

Nah if the cheese group blockaded oil refineries they would be very quickly known.

Climate Camp isn't and they did that exact thing earlier this year. I posted about this less than a page ago.

 

[kenny g]

No it doesn't, it's a bunch of made-up shit with no grounding in reality. WTF are you posting such shit for kenny g?

I thought it had an angle that I hadn't heard before and interesting AI production. Perhaps a harbinger of things to come in terms of political discourse but I won't labour the point. The idea that JSO is a product of the secret state running a false flag op was a new one for me but if you feel qualified to dismiss as shit then so be it.

 

[LDC]

The idea that JSO is a product of the secret state running a false flag op was a new one for me but if you feel qualified to dismiss as shit then so be it.

I'll dismiss it the same way I'd dismiss the suggestion that MacDonalds is secretly run by militant vegans to discredit the meat industry.

I do wonder how you come across such shit and why you then think it adds anything to the discussions here.

 

[kenny g]

I'll dismiss it the same way I'd dismiss the suggestion that MacDonalds is secretly run by militant vegans to discredit the meat industry.

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Or that one of the most militant accounts of the Poll Tax riots was written by a cop spy?

I do wonder how you come across such shit and why you then think it adds anything to the discussions here

What are you (rather weakly I may add) attempting to assert?

I don't have a habit of posting AI generated YouTube videos alleging false flag conspiracy theories so suggesting otherwise is pretty fake. I came across the video when visiting a particular subreddit for the first time.

 

[LDC]

Or that one of the most militant accounts of the Poll Tax riots was written by a cop spy?



What are you (rather weakly I may add) attempting to assert?

I don't have a habit of posting AI generated YouTube videos alleging false flag conspiracy theories so suggesting otherwise is pretty fake. I came across the video when visiting a particular subreddit for the first time.

If you can't tell the difference between undercover cops working within a movement or group and your video I despair.

And what do you think this AI generated, no evidence to back-up, idiotic smear from a YT account with about 100 followers has to offer the debate on JSO?

And why do you think it was 'interesting' as opposed to just complete fantasy shit?

 

[Rob Ray]

I suppose it's vaguely interesting that AI can now be used to up the production value of this tin foil tripe from a low-res webcam of a wild-eyed loon mumbling into a microphone to something a bit more professional looking.

 

[kenny g]

If you can't tell the difference between undercover cops working within a movement or group and your video I despair.

And what do you think this AI generated, no evidence to back-up, idiotic smear from a YT account with about 100 followers has to offer the debate on JSO?

And why do you think it was 'interesting' as opposed to just complete fantasy shit?

Perhaps time to calm down. It was one post of one video. If I was posting streams of the things day after day I could see something behind the histrionics but as it is I think you are being a little silly. Anyway, enjoy your Saturday.

 

[LDC]

Perhaps time to calm down. It was one post of one video. If I was posting streams of the things day after day I could see something behind the histrionics but as it is I think you are being a little silly. Anyway, enjoy your Saturday.

Fair enough, I do have a hair trigger for loonery, especially stuff that's smears of the left.

 

[kenny g]

No p

Fair enough, I do have a hair trigger for loonery, especially stuff that's smears of the left.

No problem. Had a good friend fall down the rabbit hole and I agree you get sensitised to this kind of stuff.

 

[PTK]

Because fundamentally they believe the whole business can be resolved without much real fuss or nastiness.

 

[danny la rouge]

This is well worth a watch. The question of whether JSO actions are best targeted, or whether action should specifically target fossil fuels industry comes up.

Seen 'Chris Packham: Is It Time to Break the Law?'? Watch it here on Channel 4:

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/chris-packham-is-it-time-to-break-the-law?cntsrc=social_share_ios_chris_packham_is_it_time_to_break_the_law

 

[hash tag]

danny la rouge you might want to see this Chris Packham is it time to break the law?

 

[LDC]

Also on the UK climate thread!

 

[Karl Masks]

Activists in Germany glued themselves to the road, and they might need amputation of hand

As the school holidays kicked off in Hamburg, the "Last Generation" activists decided to take their protest to new heights by glueing themselves to the runway at Hamburg Airport. Their unconventional approach caused several hours of chaos and delays.

www.dailyo.in

someone should sticky that tweet

 

[newme]

someone should sticky that tweet

Preferably not with concrete and epoxy tho.

 

[Karl Masks]

Preferably not with concrete and epoxy tho.

NOt sure how losing one's hand is going to help the climate cause TBH. I feel rather sad for those people. The futility of it

 

[8ball]

NOt sure how losing one's hand is going to help the climate cause TBH. I feel rather sad for those people. The futility of it

I'd bet serious money that no one's hand was amputated.

 

[edcraw]

Shouldn’t be a surprise that people that go and see Les Mis are awful - wonder what their reaction to the French Revolution barricades stopping hard working families would’ve been?

 

[platinumsage]

Why is it always soft targets? How about doing a cage fighting match, an XL Bully meet-up or the Appleby horse fair?

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd say there's lots of reasons why; they're an offshoot of XR that have a specific strategy that doesn't involve those type of actions, maybe they think those type of actions will be politically damaging to the cause in the long run, those actions take a huge personal risk that maybe JSO people aren't willing to take, society has a tightly policed set of type of activities as 'acceptable' dissent, etc. They also lack lots of the avenues like strike action, workplace sabotage, etc. that other political movements have had.

There's a load of things happening that are horrendous, and plenty often don't result in actions like you mention for complex reasons.

Not saying I think JSO are right, but I can understand why they're doing the type of things they are.

I don't know how you do workplace sabotage but ime you don't need to be part of a group to delete shit off computers or shred irreplaceable documents etc. Do you mean the jso people are unemployed?

 

[LDC]

I don't know how you do workplace sabotage but ime you don't need to be part of a group to delete shit off computers or shred irreplaceable documents etc

No, but I was discussing actions against hydrocarbon extraction and climate related areas, and my point was none of JSO (I expect) are actively involved in those industries/areas of work so lack the opportunity for it. Same as strike action for most of them I expect.