Julie Burchill's attack on transsexuals...

[stuff_it]

This is pretty epic, some transsexuals had a go at Suzanne Moore on Twitter (there's the T-word again) and JB has 'defended' her with an all out attack on transgendered people in the Graun.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/julie-burchill-suzanne-moore-transsexuals

 

[The39thStep]

already being discussed on the Callinicos/ Penny thread

 

[Balbi]

It wasn't just trans-women and trans-men that tried to get Suzanne Moore to change two words in her article.

However, it was Moore who then went off on one and intentionally made it worse. And then wrote an article which wasn't so much mea culpa as mea, mea, mea.

And now Burchill's defended her by crowbarring in every offensive label for trans people into one column.

She's quite the writer though,

“a gaggle of transsexuals telling Suzanne Moore how to write looks a lot like how I’d imagine the Black and White Minstrels telling Usain Bolt how to run would look.”

Managing to be that offensive in one sentence is amazing.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

What a horrible writing style that Julie Burchill has, with irrelevant anecdotes padding out her script. These included a plug for a book she has written. I think the link could be added to the "Guardian going down the pan" thread.

 

[maomao]

What a horrible writing style that Julie Burchill has, with irrelevant anecdotes padding out her script. These included a plug for a book she has written. I think the link could be added to the "Guardian going down the pan" thread.

Burchill's been writing shit like that for The Guardian for decades and she's always been a fucking arsehole.

 

[stuff_it]

What a horrible writing style that Julie Burchill has, with irrelevant anecdotes padding out her script. These included a plug for a book she has written. I think the link could be added to the "Guardian going down the pan" thread.

It would have been if I could have found the thread.

Nice how she has to shoehorn on the bit about the lobster and champers as well.

 

[bi0boy]

The Guardian has a record of being transphobic

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/1...dia-to-change-the-record-on-trans-healthcare/

 

[elbows]

I've always considered Burchill to be a sick lake of hate, full of spite of the least productive variety. She is the writer who has most wound me up over the years, her attitude is consistently abysmal, and in some senses I consider her to simply be a crap twist on the 'shock jock' form of attention seeking.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Where did she get the idea that all transsexuals have PhD's?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I've always considered Burchill to be a sick lake of hate, full of spite of the least productive variety. She is the writer who has most wound me up over the years, her attitude is consistently abysmal, and in some senses I consider her to simply be a crap twist on the 'shock jock' form of attention seeking.

That's exactly what she is. A troll, basically. She's quite good at it though, people still get wound up by her.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Burchill's been writing shit like that for The Guardian for decades and she's always been a fucking arsehole.

I thought she was a Mail writer. Guess who doesn't read either paper.

 

[peterkro]

I don't think I've ever seen an article get such a kicking in comments (I realise that maybe because a lot of the mad yanks are not up yet),it's vile to the point Guardian staff are pointing out it's an Observer article and not the Guardian.

 

[mrsfran]

She's the Guardian version of Liz Jones (albeit she's been doing it a lot longer) and equally not worth paying the slightest bit of attention to.

 

[Greebo]

That's exactly what she is. A troll, basically. She's quite good at it though, people still get wound up by her.

I've got a soft spot for Julie Burchill, it's full of pus.

 

[KeeperofDragons]

As a working class woman I find her one enormous bigot, completely vile who wouldn't know what live & let live was if it jumped up & bit her on the arse

 

[cesare]

Suzanne and Julie, earlier.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Burchill's been writing shit like that for The Guardian for decades and she's always been a fucking arsehole.

^ that

I've always considered Burchill to be a sick lake of hate, full of spite of the least productive variety. She is the writer who has most wound me up over the years, her attitude is consistently abysmal, and in some senses I consider her to simply be a crap twist on the 'shock jock' form of attention seeking.

and that ^

I did always used to wonder if the sole reason the grauniad let her write a column was simply to see how many people read the glossy saturday bit by judging how many letters / e-mails they got objecting to the shite she wrote.

one a few years back that was pretty much along the lines of "all gay men are kiddy fiddlers" led me to give up reading her shite...

 

[Balbi]

The Alex Callicinos v Laurie Penny thread picked up on the new wave of identity politics, and shouted about the dangers of it and got told, in far more words, shut up by LP herself before christmas.

 

[kavenism]

Where did she get the idea that all transsexuals have PhD's?

Perhaps she thinks it stands for ‘Penis has Decided’? She’s always had a shitty attitude to higher education.

 

[madamv]

Jb is 'off' and has been for some time imo. I've also been watching the bunfight between.Patrick Strudwick and Azaelia Banks. She seems.quite.the nasty piece of work even if.strud can be a bit precious at.times.

 

[binka]

Managing to be that offensive in one sentence is amazing.

it was quite an achievement - she was obviously trying to think of a comparison but what on earth are black people good at? running fast of course! personally I'd have gone with the black and white minstrels telling michael jackson how to dance

 

[Balbi]

Trans women are to women as black and white minstrels are to black people is the killer bit. It's the reversion to a trope to try and make a complex point simply. It's what Moore got called on as well.

It also hilariously implies Suzanne Moore is the Usain Bolt of feminist columnists.

 

[toggle]

Perhaps she thinks it stands for ‘Penis has Decided’? She’s always had a shitty attitude to higher education.

she's not alone in that.

 

[sunny jim]

I've got a soft spot for Julie Burchill, it's full of pus.

 

[binka]

Trans women are to women as black and white minstrels are to black people is the killer bit. It's the reversion to a trope to try and make a complex point simply. It's what Moore got called on as well.

It also hilariously implies Suzanne Moore is the Usain Bolt of feminist columnists.

i go the transphobia but it was the subtle racist undertones which really made it a standout line imo

 

[Balbi]

i go the transphobia but it was the subtle racist undertones which really made it a standout line imo

It's just shit trope grabbing from fear of not having pop culture references to make complex arguments simple. Fear of complexity dooms us all.

 

[rosecore]

i go the transphobia but it was the subtle racist undertones which really made it a standout line imo

Not to mention the line "The reaction of the trans lobby reminded me very much of those wretched inner-city kids who shoot another inner-city kid dead in a fast-food shop for not showing them enough "respect". Ignore the real enemy" She really means black inner-city kids. She just can't bring herself to say it.

 

[Balbi]

You know what, in the torrent, I missed that one.

 

[Sirena]

Help me on this one. Is part of Suzanne Moore's sins the fact that she used the word 'transsexual'?

 

[cesare]

Help me on this one. Is part of Suzanne Moore's sins the fact that she used the word 'transsexual'?

People are seizing on the original use of her language, when the actual problem is that she used a crude stereotype.