Julia Gillard: Australia gets a Barry girl in charge. Tidy.

[editor]

So which context were you using this multi-faceted adjective in then?

 

[Fedayn]

And there you go again with your lies. Where have I said I was "proud" of her appointment?

The 'oooohh gotta make you proud' was ME, get it, ME, being sarcastic.

My personal politics are irrelevant to this thread, although it's becoming very apparent that you're more interested in pathetic little point-scoring games.

*yawn

Where am I 'pointscoring'? Or is wondering why you'd be happy to see/celebrate/pleased with/noting someone get to be PM purely on the basis that they're from a working-calss area of Barry-her actuial politics notwithstanding-is point scoring? We are truly in the arena of the unwell....

 

[editor]

We are truly in the arena of the unwell....

Give it a rest please.

 

[Fedayn]

I must have missed the bit where I'm "celebrating" anything.

Yeash, these quotes are dripping with criticism and sadness she got the PM job.....

A woman from a working class family from the shithole that is Barry in south Wales managed to overcome Australia's built in misogyny and get the top job.

Ever been to Barry? If you had, you'd realise it's a bit of an achievement.

I'm pleased that a woman has managed to make it to the top of the pile in a country like Australia, and I think it's an achievement when that woman is a working class immigrant from a particularly rough part of Wales who cites Bevan as one of her political heroes.

Yup, nothing celebratory in that at all....

 

[editor]

Yeash, these quotes are dripping with criticism and sadness she got the PM job.....

Yup, nothing celebratory in that at all....

It is entirely possible to acknowledge a politician's achievements without personally endorsing and applauding every single subsequent policy decision, you daft, one-dimensional wazzock.

Here's an example for the slow witted: I can admire, applaud - heck, even celebrate - the skill and achievements of footballers like Ronaldo, Beckham and Rooney etc, but that doesn't mean I like their personalities, their politics or their attitudes.

Understand now or do you need smaller words?

 

[Fedayn]

It is entirely possible to acknowledge a politician's achievements without personally endorsing and applauding every single subsequent policy decision, you daft, one-dimensional wazzock.

Here's an example for the slow witted: I can admire, applaud - heck, even celebrate - the skill and achievements of footballers like Ronaldo, Beckham and Rooney etc, but that doesn't mean I like their personalities, their politics or their attitudes.

Understand now or do you need smaller words?

So we've gone back to recognising, ney even celebrating, in a very minor way someones achievements? Yes, of course you can, without question. But is it really an 'achivement', or more accurately here, worthy of celebration given what she's already said and intends to do? I woulda thought that would come into play aswell.... We should celebrate John Major aswell then, after all poor Brixton boy does good....

Nye Bevan her 'hero', well worth celebrating without doubt. Julia Gillard not really.

 

[Fedayn]

It is entirely possible to acknowledge a politician's achievements without personally endorsing and applauding every single subsequent policy decision, you daft, one-dimensional wazzock.

But celebrating her because she's Welsh is so not 1 dimensional....

 

[mattie]

It is entirely possible to acknowledge a politician's achievements without personally endorsing and applauding every single subsequent policy decision, you daft, one-dimensional wazzock.

Here's an example for the slow witted: I can admire, applaud - heck, even celebrate - the skill and achievements of footballers like Ronaldo, Beckham and Rooney etc, but that doesn't mean I like their personalities, their politics or their attitudes.

Understand now or do you need smaller words?

This isn't quite the same. You were admiring her becoming PM (and you were), which she's achieved precisely because of her political stance.

Ronaldo isn't a good player because he's a twat.

 

[editor]

But celebrating her because she's Welsh is so not 1 dimensional....

I see you're back to this 'celebrating' nonsense again.

Oh well. I can see your mind is made up whatever I write, so I'll leave you to your own weird version of reality.

 

[Fedayn]

I see you're back to this 'celebrating' nonsense again.

Ok, if not celebrating, what word would you use to call starting a thread to note, point to, refer to, mark someone's 'achievement'? What word would you prefer?

 

[editor]

This isn't quite the same. You were admiring her becoming PM (and you were), which she's achieved precisely because of her political stance.

I was actually acknowledging the fact that a woman immigrant from a working class background managed to overcome the odds to get the PM job in Australia, actually. I think that's quite an achievement,

However, that does not add up to a full and total endorsement of her political opinions and beliefs, no matter how you spin it.

 

[editor]

Ok, if not celebrating, what word would you use to call starting a thread to note, point to, refer to, mark someone's 'achievement'? What word would you prefer?

I thought my opening post rather laid out my response:

"Who would have thought that a girl from Barry would go so far?!"

Do you know Barry? If you did you'd probably be as surprised as me to see how far she's got.

 

[Proper Tidy]

The character of Tom Hagen in the Godfather was rumoured to have been based on Murray Humphreys aka Murray the Hump or The Camel, consigliere to Al Capone and in the Chicago Mob. The Hump was allegedly from Rhyl originally. Tidy.

The author does not condone extortion, racketeering or shiny suits

 

[mattie]

I was actually acknowledging the fact that a woman immigrant from a working class background managed to overcome the odds to get the PM job in Australia, actually. I think that's quite an achievement,

However, that does not add up to a full and total endorsement of her political opinions and beliefs, no matter how you spin it.

I'm not spinning anything.

I'm simply saying that your analogy was god-awful.

 

[mattie]

The character of Tom Hagen in the Godfather was rumoured to have been based on Murray Humphreys aka Murray the Hump or The Camel, consigliere to Al Capone and in the Chicago Mob. The Hump was allegedly from Rhyl originally. Tidy.

The author does not condone extortion, racketeering or shiny suits

What about nifty hats?

 

[Proper Tidy]

What about nifty hats?

I love hats

 

[mattie]

I love hats

You, Sir, should be PM.

 

[Fedayn]

I thought my opening post rather laid out my response:

"Who would have thought that a girl from Barry would go so far?!"

Do you know Barry? If you did you'd probably be as surprised as me to see how far she's got.

I know of it, yeah working-class area numerous social issues. Yes she's PM, very good, but given what she says and is gonna do, i'd have thought, even expected, someone with pretty progressive politics such as yourself to be less inclined to think it an achievement and more inclined to be concerned at her actions not her birthplace, expecially given she's the child of immigrants what she intends to do re immigration.....

 

[editor]

I know of it, yeah working-class area numerous social issues. Yes she's PM, very good, but given what she says and is gonna do, i'd have thought, even expected, someone with pretty progressive politics such as yourself to be less inclined to think it an achievement and more inclined to be concerned at her actions not her birthplace, expecially given she's the child of immigrants what she intends to do re immigration.....

I'll be sure to criticise her policies in the appropriate thread if I feel the need, but seeing as she's only been in office for, what, four days I'd rather wait to see what she does first.

 

[editor]

I'm not spinning anything.

I'm simply saying that your analogy was god-awful.

So you can't admire a footballer but dislike their personal opinions?

 

[mattie]

So you can't admire a footballer but dislike their personal opinions?

This is actually quite funny.

You really, really should get into politics. You'd be superb.

 

[editor]

This is actually quite funny.

You really, really should get into politics. You'd be superb.

Nice bluff, but I'd say your (non) answer right there is a far better example of swerving an uncomfortable question.

 

[mattie]

Nice bluff, but I'd say your (non) answer right there is a far better example of swerving an uncomfortable question.

I'll spell it out, I can see you're struggling:

A footballer can reach the top of his/her profession without his/her politics having any bearing.

A politician, by definition, cannot.

You see why your analogy fails horrendously?

 

[editor]

I'll spell it out, I can see you're struggling:

A footballer can reach the top of his/her profession without his/her politics having any bearing.

A politician, by definition, cannot.

You see why your analogy fails horrendously?

The point - which you've missed so spectacularly - is that it's entirely possible to acknowledge someone's achievements without necessarily approving of their politics or policies.

It's really quite a simple concept so I don't know why you're struggling with it so much.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Can't we just talk about the Welsh Mafia now? It'd probably be less tedious.

 

[mattie]

The point - which you've missed so spectacularly - is that it's entirely possible to acknowledge someone's achievements without necessarily approving their politics.

It's really quite a simple concept so I don't know why you're struggling with it so much.

Without wishing to resort too heavily to the timeworn dredging of past posts, I think it's worth repeating.

Here's an example for the slow witted: I can admire, applaud - heck, even celebrate - the skill and achievements of footballers like Ronaldo, Beckham and Rooney etc, but that doesn't mean I like their personalities, their politics or their attitudes.

You're commenting on the skill of footballers. How they perform their job. No need to look at anything more than how they kick a football. Certainly no need to consider their personal qualities or politics.

The analogy is therefore commenting on the skill of politicians. How they perform their job. Politics are pretty important to politicians, I'd have said.

 

[1927]

I'll spell it out, I can see you're struggling:

A footballer can reach the top of his/her profession without his/her politics having any bearing.A politician, by definition, cannot.

You see why your analogy fails horrendously?

From the verbal kicking I have had on here for being a fan of Paolo Di Canio i would suggest that that statement is incorrect!

 

[editor]

You're commenting on the skill of footballers. How they perform their job. No need to look at anything more than how they kick a football. Certainly no need to consider their personal qualities or politics.

FFS. I was giving an example of how you may admire or acknowledge a person's achievements without necessarily endorsing their personality, their politics or their beliefs. Quite why this concept seems beyond your understanding is quite baffling.

If someone says that they admire Jerry Lee Lewis, do you think that they're automatically endorsing incestuous paedophilia?

 

[Proper Tidy]

If someone says that they admire Jerry Lee Lewis, do you think that they're automatically endorsing incestuous paedophilia?

Blatant crypto-familial-noncery

 

[gabi]

Hitler was a fucking Tidy orator. Gotta admire those skillz. What he used those talents for, well...