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Journalists that aren't dicks or c*nts

ViolentPanda said:
Pft. He knows nothing!
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I've yet to see any journo face down a cavalry charge. I would like to see some try and fail though, prefferably spitted from the back as they flee in terror
 
Patrick Cockburn is worth reading for his reporting on Syria. I don't always agree with him, but he doesn't just recycle propaganda and that puts him head and shoulders above his colleagues.

Robert Fisk on the other hand is a propagator of misinformation. He is positively worth ignoring. You'll come out less informed than when you start with his articles.

I have no use for John Pilger. I simply don't need an exagerated lefty spin on things.

I'm trying to think of somebody who doesn't just talk in tired cliches with respect to British politics. Best I can think of is Peter Hitchins whose poltics are aweful but he does at least have an interesting angle.

I don't think I've ever read anything by Paul Mason that I don't fundamentally disagree with. But actually I kind of like him for that. This is where Paul Mason goes wrong, and here and here and here. He is at least thought provoking.
 
At least with someone like Oborne you get the impression that even though he's terribly wrong-headed he's at least somewhat honest about it all. I think I probably have the most respect for people who write contrary to the position they're meant to align with.
 
Vintage Paw said:
At least with someone like Oborne you get the impression that even though he's terribly wrong-headed he's at least somewhat honest about it all. I think I probably have the most respect for people who write contrary to the position they're meant to align with.
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peter hitchens. Raging bellend but pulls the stopped clock trick once in a while
 
Right I've been at the rum and vodka and I don't care. Fuck you all, I'm going to say it: George Monbiot.

Yes I'm sure he's middle class, yes I'm sure he's part of the establishment and has been to oxford or wherever but ... the he chooses proper topics that need to be discussed and gets a point across to a wider audience in the guardian (fingers in the sign of a cross).

He's an environmentalist which is clearly one strike against him, and I've seen urbanites say they can't read his articles without being ill, so give me a specific example.

I'm willing to discuss this and be shown wrong, so: George Monbiot

For example, I was looking at PFI in the NHS and the first real article I've come across that says what is actually happening is from him in "Private Affluence, Public Rip-Off". Private Affluence, Public Rip-Off | George Monbiot

So tell me what you were saying about this in 2002 and so why I'm a cunt again :( .
 
two sheds said:
Right I've been at the rum and vodka and I don't care. Fuck you all, I'm going to say it: George Monbiot.

Yes I'm sure he's middle class, yes I'm sure he's part of the establishment and has been to oxford or wherever but ... the he chooses proper topics that need to be discussed and gets a point across to a wider audience in the guardian (fingers in the sign of a cross).

He's an environmentalist which is clearly one strike against him, and I've seen urbanites say they can't read his articles without being ill, so give me a specific example.

I'm willing to discuss this and be shown wrong, so: George Monbiot

For example, I was looking at PFI in the NHS and the first real article I've come across that says what is actually happening is from him in "Private Affluence, Public Rip-Off". Private Affluence, Public Rip-Off | George Monbiot

So tell me what you were saying about this in 2002 and so why I'm a cunt again :( .
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I can't speak for anyone else here but his writing has a feel of British liberal patrician superiority, particularly when writing about "strategy" for the future - he sees himself as a "movement" or "activist journalist" after all.

Having taken the advice of Viz magazine’s Top Tips (“Hitch-hikers: improve your chances of getting a lift by not dressing up as a hunt saboteur and waving half a cardboard box at passing motorists”) I stand in a layby hoping to exploit private transport’s preposterous over-capacity. I find myself enduring a sort of psychological stoning, as drivers hurl their hostility and contempt at me: no one, they are thinking, stands by the side of the road today unless he is a scrounger, an idler or a rapist. When someone finally takes pity on me, I find myself, to my disgust, pathetically grateful. I want to explain that, far from being a favour, a lift is the least that drivers owe to non-drivers. It’s everyone’s planet, and they are freeloading on my decision not to mess it up. But I am never quite brave enough to do so.

When there are no alternatives, I will hire a car or a van: this happens about five or six times a year. I don’t enjoy it, but at least I can choose the model which suits my purpose best, and if something goes wrong, it’s someone else’s problem.

But, above all, losing my car has encouraged me to reduce my need to travel. I used to drive for hours just to go walking in the countryside, with the result that I came back more stressed than I was before. Forced to explore nearer to home, I have found scores of wonderful and secret places. I have had to stop shopping in superstores. Buying my food from local shops, a co-operative wholesaler and an organic box scheme, I’ve found myself, once again, becoming both healthier and wealthier. I have begun to feel that I belong to my town and its surroundings and that they, in a small way, now belong to me.

I don't enjoy him telling how morally superior he is compared to other w/c households who still own a car.
 
sihhi said:
I can't speak for anyone else here but his writing has a feel of British liberal patrician superiority, particularly when writing about "strategy" for the future - he sees himself as a "movement" or "activist journalist" after all.

Having taken the advice of Viz magazine’s Top Tips (“Hitch-hikers: improve your chances of getting a lift by not dressing up as a hunt saboteur and waving half a cardboard box at passing motorists”) I stand in a layby hoping to exploit private transport’s preposterous over-capacity. I find myself enduring a sort of psychological stoning, as drivers hurl their hostility and contempt at me: no one, they are thinking, stands by the side of the road today unless he is a scrounger, an idler or a rapist. When someone finally takes pity on me, I find myself, to my disgust, pathetically grateful. I want to explain that, far from being a favour, a lift is the least that drivers owe to non-drivers. It’s everyone’s planet, and they are freeloading on my decision not to mess it up. But I am never quite brave enough to do so.

When there are no alternatives, I will hire a car or a van: this happens about five or six times a year. I don’t enjoy it, but at least I can choose the model which suits my purpose best, and if something goes wrong, it’s someone else’s problem.

But, above all, losing my car has encouraged me to reduce my need to travel. I used to drive for hours just to go walking in the countryside, with the result that I came back more stressed than I was before. Forced to explore nearer to home, I have found scores of wonderful and secret places. I have had to stop shopping in superstores. Buying my food from local shops, a co-operative wholesaler and an organic box scheme, I’ve found myself, once again, becoming both healthier and wealthier. I have begun to feel that I belong to my town and its surroundings and that they, in a small way, now belong to me.

I don't enjoy him telling how morally superior he is compared to other w/c households who still own a car.
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it had to be you didn't it :mad:

fair point, but i'm not actually sure he said that. I don't have a car but i don't need one. Someone who works 5 miles away from where they live needs one. Someone who has to drop their kids off 5 miles away from where they live needs one.

If we had proper public transport we wouldn't need a car is what I assume he's saying.
 
two sheds said:
it had to be you didn't it :mad:

fair point, but i'm not actually sure he said that. I don't have a car but i don't need one. Someone who works 5 miles away from where they live needs one. Someone who has to drop their kids off 5 miles away from where they live needs one.

If we had proper public transport we wouldn't need a car is what I assume he's saying.
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So he didn't actually say this bit:
I want to explain that, far from being a favour, a lift is the least that drivers owe to non-drivers. It’s everyone’s planet, and they are freeloading on my decision not to mess it up. But I am never quite brave enough to do so.
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:confused:
 
two sheds said:
Right I've been at the rum and vodka and I don't care. Fuck you all, I'm going to say it: George Monbiot.

Yes I'm sure he's middle class, yes I'm sure he's part of the establishment and has been to oxford or wherever but ... the he chooses proper topics that need to be discussed and gets a point across to a wider audience in the guardian (fingers in the sign of a cross).

He's an environmentalist which is clearly one strike against him, and I've seen urbanites say they can't read his articles without being ill, so give me a specific example.
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Monbiot can fuck off.

Streets of shame
 
sihhi said:
I can't speak for anyone else here but his writing has a feel of British liberal patrician superiority, particularly when writing about "strategy" for the future - he sees himself as a "movement" or "activist journalist" after all.

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I don't enjoy him telling how morally superior he is compared to other w/c households who still own a car.
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Rereading your post yes this is fair comment.
 
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