Jim Murphy is new Scottish Labour leader.
- Thread starter treelover
- Start date
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Did you read ska invita's thread? There's lots of stuff in there about what people wanted from an independent Scotland. Lots.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Oh. Well, did you take into account that many of us were not trying to create a neoliberal economy? That oil, for example, is actually something of which many of us think we should be planning for the diminution? That Yes groups like Women for Independence, RIC and Commonweal are continuing to have packed meetings and new set up projects. That there are real practical things to come out of the Yes movement, like the food solidarity campaign that donates food parcels to benefits sanctioned claimants? And so on?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
but you started out asking danny if he personally had shifted views and the whole 'change of heart' line
That's stretching the definition of contribution
gosub
~#
Was back up in Edinburgh for Hogmanay, tried to do same, talked to most vocal at time Yes mates, and it was all "Oil will go back up again" and "settlement wouldn't have been til 2016".
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
To me the oil is irrelevant. It's a bonus as danny says, it never was and never will be the B all and end all. I still want my country to be independent. I want people to come before profit. I want the sick, disabled and elderly to be cared for not shat on. I want nukes out of Scotland, free higher education, WAY less than 50% child poverty in Glasgow.
I will not change my mind on this, if anything I feel this more strongly since September. I'm sick of being shat on by governments I didn't vote for, I'm beyond disgusted at the Labour party. My son's middle name is Keir after the late, great Mr Hardie.
We've had oil for 40 years and what good has it actually done us?? Fucking NONE!! The A9 is a fucking joke, none of our roads are decent tbh, except round Traquair, where they were lovely for some reason. We see boats from our living room window regularly sitting there, all the way down the coast from Aberdeen because the harbour is woefully inadequate. Tbh I won't give a shit if the oil disappeared.
Sorry for swearing but I'm really fed up with this country's attitude to North Sea oil
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Why would they have?
Oil is far from the main motivator for independence for a great many people!
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Exactly. The press and the BBC were transfixed by the oil. But that was them.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
The oil issue is of little importance to many of those I communicate with on a daily basis. It's the principle of independence we wanted/want, and, as others have said, not towards a neoliberal government/economy in any way.
Danny and Gemini have said it in terms that are representative of the many who wanted a Yes vote.
There are of course many other diverse thoughts among independence supporters and those are still going forward as Danny pointed out through the many meetings and actions still ongoing.
Polls are showing that Scottish Labour/Tory/Dem MP seats are under real threat because of the way the incumbent MPs have treated people. This is happening because people are still talking and campaigning, not getting back in their boxes like it was believed they would.
Danny and Gemini have said it in terms that are representative of the many who wanted a Yes vote.
There are of course many other diverse thoughts among independence supporters and those are still going forward as Danny pointed out through the many meetings and actions still ongoing.
Polls are showing that Scottish Labour/Tory/Dem MP seats are under real threat because of the way the incumbent MPs have treated people. This is happening because people are still talking and campaigning, not getting back in their boxes like it was believed they would.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Is that what newbie doesn't understand? Why we've not just shrugged and gone back to UK business as usual?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
it wasn't the picture but the same basic info, yep
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
newbie
undisambiguated
fundamentally, yes, thank you all. It's a few months on from the vote and there's a changed economic climate, it's not a forgone conclusion that Yes opinion would have solidified. It seems to have done both here, which I sortof trust, and in opinion polls (um, somewhat more ambivalent about). That's positive, I'd have thought.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
I think the referendum got a lot of people who were demoralised and thoroughly not interested in politics thinking 'well actually, maybe we could do this'. This is what I'm picking up from various groups and campaigns. Even some No voters were thoroughly disgusted at the lies and underhand tactics used by Better Together. I don't know if you saw the shut up and eat your cereal ad(think it's in the thread danny linked to) but that really pissed a LOT of people on both sides off.
A lot of people have 'woken up' again and realised there IS a better way and it's worth trying to bring it about. Westminster has become more and more corrupt/incompetent and right wing in the last 20ish years and more and more people all over the UK want no part of that.
A lot of people have 'woken up' again and realised there IS a better way and it's worth trying to bring it about. Westminster has become more and more corrupt/incompetent and right wing in the last 20ish years and more and more people all over the UK want no part of that.
Yep. And Ruth Davidson calling the result 'a victory' on the telly when it became clear that No had won. Was watching it with my sister who voted no and that utterly pissed her off. (Obviously she's not a Tory so it's likely most things RD could've said would've pissed her off but this claiming victory thing at a moment when some grace was called for was, she thought, completely inappropriate.)
newbie
undisambiguated
I wish that were the case but on the face of it I'm pretty sure that there's more chance of achieving the sort of change you outlined above in your neck of the woods than across the whole UK.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
That's exactly why we are carrying on trying to achieve change here rather than take on board the idea that if it ain't happening across the whole of the UK then it ain't happening and give up.
It's not that we don't want change across the board, it's knowing that we can achieve change here and will continue to strive for it.
I think most of the questioning and chin rubbing is a lack of awareness that just because we are seen as still part of the UK post indyref it doesn't mean that we have to put up with the Westminster policies that are inflicting serious damage on the lives of many.
We WANT do to everything we can stop, mitigate or change them in Scotland.
Why shouldn't we.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
Did you bam him up for the lols?
It was the Independence Live man
http://new.livestream.com/IndependenceLive/events/3731182
newbie
undisambiguated
no reason
I dunno about questions from anyone else but from me it's down to you having something going on up there that I only know about from afar. It's interesting.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Mostly Working Links and Ingeus share the spoils in Scotland.
Scot Gov and the population would love control of Welfare/DWP.
I think the possibility of a Yes vote really put the shitters up IDS.
Probably paying for his 'wee hairy' by having this thrust on us.
More Sanctions On The Way For Claimants With A Mental Health Condition In Scotland
Last edited:
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
I realise much of the info about happenings in Scotland you may hear/read come from the MSM that spin us all to look like mad, ranty, cybernat, SNP members and worse.no reason
I dunno about questions from anyone else but from me it's down to you having something going on up there that I only know about from afar. It's interesting.
We're really not. Honest.
Edit: Well I can be sometimes
Last edited:
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Indyref gave us the chance to connect with people from all areas of Scotland to share info and details of activism. Posty Indy we are still communicating and sharing info.
Things like, which candidates are standing where, potential candidates for the GE and what their background is
Info that breaks down the waffle from politicians trying to either gain support or target.
Being a small country with limited seats we can see who is who from the borders to the Isles. Unlike over the border where people in the Lake District will perhaps have no clue who is MP for a constituency on the South coast.
Things like, which candidates are standing where, potential candidates for the GE and what their background is
Info that breaks down the waffle from politicians trying to either gain support or target.
Being a small country with limited seats we can see who is who from the borders to the Isles. Unlike over the border where people in the Lake District will perhaps have no clue who is MP for a constituency on the South coast.
newbie
undisambiguated
That adds to the interest- London is a bit bigger than Scotland in population but much smaller in area. Maybe we can learn something....
Similar threads
- Poll
