Jim Murphy is new Scottish Labour leader.

[co-op]

And old school friend of Mrs la rouge - Labour voter, lifelong socialist - harangued her on the phone yesterday saying "the Scots" should "just fuck off".

Don't know if anyone else heard Jeremy Vine a couple of days before the referendum, just after the close polls and Cameron pulled out the Love Bomb idea (worked on Quebec apparently). R5 obligingly cleared the decks for a phone in giving listeners the chance to say how much they loved Scotland/the Scottish/The Union etc. I was kind of fascinated because this could have been History In The Making so I sat in the car and listened as caller after caller rang in and utterly failed to share the love. Two basic camps - (1) very reasonable and often quite fond of Scotland types saying it's really nothing to do with us if they want to go, that's their choice, and (2) they've been poncing off us for years, I'm fed up with their whining, it's time for them to sod off.

After an hour the Jeremy pulled the phone in. I don't think the English do Love Bombing.

 

[danny la rouge]

She rang up just to say fuck off?

Well ostensibly to wish her s happy birthday (belatedly). But maybe.

They often speak on the phone.

 

[butchersapron]

Well ostensibly to wish her s happy birthday (belatedly). But maybe.

They often speak on the phone.

Happy birthday, now fuck off.

 

[Pickman's model]

One thing that the election campaign has created seems to be a really quite nasty anti scottish sentiment here in england. I might be naive but i never remember this sort of racism being common place in england at any time in my life.

 

[co-op]

Happy birthday, now fuck off.

I'd do it the other way round, end on a positive note.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd do it the other way round, end on a positive note.

on the basis never go to bed angry etc no doubt

 

[danny la rouge]

Happy birthday, now fuck off.

Indeed. She's a bit of a zoomer, but it is a new departure.

Amusingly, perhaps, she's a history & modern studies teacher in Manchester.

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed. She's a bit of a zoomer, but it is a new departure.

Amusingly, perhaps, she's a history & modern studies teacher in Manchester.

you'd have thought she'd have a broader perspective on this sort of thing then

 

[butchersapron]

Indeed. She's a bit of a zoomer, but it is a new departure.

Amusingly, perhaps, she's a history & modern studies teacher in Manchester.

 

[danny la rouge]

After an hour the Jeremy pulled the phone in. I don't think the English do Love Bombing.

To be fair, I think that's more likely to be an attribute of Jeremy Vine listeners.

 

[Idris2002]

Happy birthday, now fuck off.

I thought that sort of thing only happened in our house.

frogwoman is one of those young people, if memory serves.

 

[Pickman's model]

frogwoman is one of those young people, if memory serves.

fw many things but neither a jock nor a geordie.

 

[J Ed]

My personal view is that the anti-Scottish sentiment that has grown over the past four years is part of the wider trend of anti-'scrounger' rhetoric. People who would never dream of using a racial slur, though they may use PC language to say racist things, feel emboldened by the mainstream narrative to say bigoted things about the Scottish. They are unemployed, they don't talk proper English, they contribute nothing and most importantly they are mostly white. It's alright to dehumanise them just like it's alright to dehumanise Northerners, Scousers and 'Chavs' in general.

 

[Pickman's model]

My personal view is that the anti-Scottish sentiment that has grown over the past four years is part of the wider trend of anti-'scrounger' rhetoric. People who would never dream of using a racial slur, though they may use PC language to say racist things, feel emboldened by the mainstream narrative to say bigoted things about the Scottish. They are unemployed, they don't talk proper English, they contribute nothing and most importantly they are mostly white. It's alright to dehumanise them just like it's alright to dehumanise Northerners, Scousers and 'Chavs' in general.

i wonder how much down to the greater familiarity people now have with the barnett formula

 

[Idris2002]

fw many things but neither a jock nor a geordie.

I mean, old man, that your piece of DC Thomson nostalgia would be lost on someone for whom the Spice Girls are ancient history.

 

[Pickman's model]

I mean, old man, that your piece of DC Thomson nostalgia would be lost on someone for whom the Spice Girls are ancient history.

ah! i thought you meant she was one of the young people depicted on the comic's cover.

 

[DotCommunist]

I just called...to say....fuck oooooff

 

[Pickman's model]

I just called...to say....fuck oooooff

i just called to say i do not care
i just call to say fuck off
and i mean it from the bottom of my heart

 

[frogwoman]

But i never remember any racism against scottish people before apart from stupid jokes about kilts etc, and it seems to be quite common now.

 

[weepiper]

But i never remember any racism against scottish people before apart from stupid jokes about kilts etc, and it seems to be quite common now.

It's always been there froggy. It's just more socially acceptable, in different circles than it used to be restricted to.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's always been there froggy. It's just more socially acceptable, in different circles than it used to be restricted to.

i wonder how much of it is jealousy, that england stuck with the fucking monarchy and so on while the scots can do a number.

 

[DotCommunist]

anti- irish bigotry was the more common one growing up. The war was still on with PIRA as well so people seemed to feel it was ok to do thick paddy stuff.

 

[frogwoman]

Well when people used to be racist when i was growing up it would be about 'pakis', 'pikeys' etc, not the scots. not that thats any better or anything but it seems very new and i never used to hear this type of stuff before.

 

[19sixtysix]

But i never remember any racism against scottish people before and it seems to be quite common now.

It was all more subtle before. I live in England it's the ones who use the word Jock that get my suspicions up. Ex forces its more a habit but non forces people who use it are usually cunts.

 

[frogwoman]

Although when people used to make jokes about kilts and fried mars bars etc maybe they were being serious rather than joking? A lot is disguised with 'banter'

 

[weepiper]

Although when people used to make jokes about kilts and fried mars bars etc maybe they were being serious rather than joking? A lot is disguised with 'banter'

As with so many of these things, it's only funny if you're not the target of it.

 

[frogwoman]

As with so many of these things, it's only funny if you're not the target of it.

Well yeah. But it seemed to not be 'meant' as racism whereas the other stuff i mention was.

 

[weepiper]

Well yeah. But it seemed to not be 'meant' as racism whereas the other stuff i mention was.

it's still racism, just the coward's option. I prefer yer honest EDL type tbh. At least they don't try to dress it up.

 

[Sue]

My personal view is that the anti-Scottish sentiment that has grown over the past four years is part of the wider trend of anti-'scrounger' rhetoric. People who would never dream of using a racial slur, though they may use PC language to say racist things, feel emboldened by the mainstream narrative to say bigoted things about the Scottish. They are unemployed, they don't talk proper English, they contribute nothing and most importantly they are mostly white. It's alright to dehumanise them just like it's alright to dehumanise Northerners, Scousers and 'Chavs' in general.

I'd agree it's part of the scrounger narratIve. Got a lot of this round the referendum. Used to hear the Scots being hardworking/canny stereotype nearly as often as the negative ones. These days, I only really hear the negative stuff.

 

[danny la rouge]

i wonder how much down to the greater familiarity people now have with the barnett formula

I think few are familiar with how it actually works, they just see it as "funding from us to them" rather than a mechanism to distribute funds that Scottish taxes and revenues also pay into.